Cladinator Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 The true hero? Shitmouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceFire125 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Ice and Fire don't mix ;) Obviously they do, or no Jon. :P You could argue that it was enough of an impediment for Jon not being able to grasp his skinchanging abilities, due to his dragon blood. That it was finally breaking the threshold when he experience immense physical stress, from the stabbing, that it crossed him over and warged Ghost. Yet, even before the stabbing, Varamyr and Mel was able to sense Jon's gift as something to be of note and significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 You could argue that it was enough of an impediment for Jon not being able to grasp his skinchanging abilities, due to his dragon blood. That it was finally breaking the threshold when he experience immense physical stress, from the stabbing, that it crossed him over and warged Ghost. Yet, even before the stabbing, Varamyr and Mel was able to sense Jon's gift as something to be of note and significant. You could, if Bloodraven didn't happen to be one of the strongest skinchangers there was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King17 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 The true is bran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two and a Halfhand Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 The true is bran Quite the dark path for the hero,then.Jon is more of a classical hero when you compare the two.But as far as you can tell: magic powers + parents got killed + help from a powerful entity + quest to learn about his inner power makes a pretty good heroic journey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lidsa Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 No, he isn't. There is no such thing as a true hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tseka Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 No, he isn't. There is no such thing as a true hero. Ned Stark nigga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalerionTheCat Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Ice and Fire don't mix ;) We don't know what the Song means. But I would rather see Ice and Fire as opposing forces. A game of thrones at a higher level. I would rather see Jon as the sellsword in Varys riddle with the king, the priest and the rich merchant. The man who decides the outcome of the war. Of course Jon is not the only hero. Bran and Sam and others are heroes too. Who is LOTR hero? Aragorn? Gandalf? Frodo? Sam? Daenerys is the first or second POV, she has done the greatest achievements so far. So she is obviously a hero too. But to me, she seems to be the doomed or misguided hero. I don't know what GRRM has in store for her (no more than any other characters), but so far it does not look too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Stark-Targaryen Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 You could, if Bloodraven didn't happen to be one of the strongest skinchangers there was. Can you say this again for those in the back of the room? Because :agree: If "ice and fire" don't mix, then why read a series about a song of ice and fire? Keep in mind that this is a song of ice and fire, not a battle of ice and fire... or a tragedy of ice and fire... it's a song. Now, yes, GRRM is deconstructing the whole idea of "songs" in the story (Marillion comes to mind). But even if it's cataclysmic, ice and fire do mingle in this story, and whenever they have, there have been powerful characters created, and pivotal plot events move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facebookless Man Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Bran is the hero. Both Snow Wight and the MOAB are antagonists.Significant players on the Good Guys team also include Arya, Stannis, Varys, Sam the Slayer, and Doran Martell.ETA: and Davos SeaworthBecause hell yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted to snow Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Jon is one of the few who cares for the welfare of all before himself and his honor. And who are the others like him? Aemon, Mance, Davos (will side with him at some point), Sam. Jon and his team are the best characters. They must be the heroes. Sorry, but GRRM does not write that way... Just when you start expecting a given course of events or a given outcome, GRRM shatters those expectations... By the end of TWoW, Jon will be an antagonists not the protagonists that everyone expects... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Sorry, but GRRM does not write that way... Just when you start expecting a given course of events or a given outcome, GRRM shatters those expectations... By the end of TWoW, Jon Dany will be an antagonists not the protagonists that everyone expects... Corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 He's one of the 1st tier "heores" along with Bran, Dany, Tyrion, Arya and Sansa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Clegane Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Corrected.Touche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayGen Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think people like Jon and want him to be the hero because so many people liked Ned stark, and the starks in general.Sadly his character as we should all know by now, knows nothing.He lacks intelligence, a good ranger, but nothing more.He has forsaken vows, and doesn't have the 'excuses' that Jaime was able to use.Not sure if he is really hero material. I think people also default to Jon due to a lack of alternatives, all the 'good' people are all minor players. GRRM was wise to make this happen. I think it's a mistake to use the word hero, much less true hero when talking about GoT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimim Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think people like Jon and want him to be the hero because so many people liked Ned stark, and the starks in general. Sadly his character as we should all know by now, knows nothing. He lacks intelligence, a good ranger, but nothing more. He has forsaken vows, and doesn't have the 'excuses' that Jaime was able to use. Not sure if he is really hero material. I think people also default to Jon due to a lack of alternatives, all the 'good' people are all minor players. GRRM was wise to make this happen. I think it's a mistake to use the word hero, much less true hero when talking about GoT. I disagree with almost all of the above, but agree that he's not "the" hero of the series. There is no single hero or savior. Bran might end up the most powerful character, and Davos could end up king. We know nothing, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think people like Jon and want him to be the hero because so many people liked Ned stark, and the starks in general. Sadly his character as we should all know by now, knows nothing. He lacks intelligence, a good ranger, but nothing more. He has forsaken vows, and doesn't have the 'excuses' that Jaime was able to use. Not sure if he is really hero material. I think people also default to Jon due to a lack of alternatives, all the 'good' people are all minor players. GRRM was wise to make this happen. I think it's a mistake to use the word hero, much less true hero when talking about GoT. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think people like Jon and want him to be the hero because so many people liked Ned stark, and the starks in general.Sadly his character as we should all know by now, knows nothing.He lacks intelligence, a good ranger, but nothing more.He has forsaken vows, and doesn't have the 'excuses' that Jaime was able to use.Not sure if he is really hero material. I think people also default to Jon due to a lack of alternatives, all the 'good' people are all minor players. GRRM was wise to make this happen. I think it's a mistake to use the word hero, much less true hero when talking about GoT.He's the only one who cares or cared about the threat and am trying to do something about it. People will say Stannis cares but sitting on that ugly chair is Stannis' main goal not protecting the human race. And comparing Jon to that monster Jaime is gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The silver dragon Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 kinda hard to do that considering hes a corpse right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 kinda hard to do that considering hes a corpse right now. Oh, you think he's dead, do you?~GRRM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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