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  2. By the way, if you wish to see an example on how Dorne did not have the same status, notice their succession laws. In Dorne, women get to be in line at the same level as men. And they keep this law which is not the same as the rest of the 7 kingdoms. This is where you can see the nuances. Dorne is a vassal kingdom and they have their own laws. Sure they will support the Iron Throne in wars if called. But they have their independent law which is dictated by Dorne and Dorne alone.
  3. Rorshach

    Football: pool in to the Final Spur of the season

    Everton at least get a back up keeper for free - Jonas Lössl. Definetely second choice, but better than Stek - more consistent.
  4. honeyed chicken

    TTTNE 475 - for the Honour of Greyskull!

    I know you are not alone in your feelings on this, in fact I seem to be more the outlier as usual.
  5. Nocandies

    Mobile phone advice (is this an entertainment topic?)

    Same here. I was using Nokia phones until they became a part of Microsoft, then I switched to Samsung Galaxy phones, loved the mini series. Then I got iPhone XS for work and Xiaomi Redmi for personal needs. I don't play games on it, using mostly Waze and a browser.
  6. Then would you care to explain why the Dornish are still princes????? You are confusing conquest with someone independent deciding to be a vassal. There are nuances. I will grant that the show just does not care or knows how to explain these things. But they could and would not be the same. Dorne does not have an equal status to the other 7 kingdoms, therefore, their rulers are still called Princes. As for Jon, he was not at war with Dany and Dany was not yet Queen of the 7 Kingdoms. So their relations would have to be formerly set if she ever got to sit the Iron Throne. But from a medieval perspective, Jon would not be in a position of a defeated kingdom. He would be more like an allied Kingdom. And Dany would likely give him the deserving status. If Dany did not, then the North would not have fun with it and there would have to be another war to settle it.
  7. My point was that she was always mentally capable of doing so, and I always did expect her to eventually snap and burn King's Landing to the ground. I just expected it to be straight after Rhaegal got shot down, maybe during the battle of King's Landing itself, so KL would get no chance to surrender in the first place. Your idea would work as well. But as it was done... I agree, execution is shit.
  8. Rippounet

    Slavoj Zizek on the ending

    Yes, it did. But "in context" as you say, even Sam would have known better than to suggest it in the first place. Sam is a well-read noble and given his experience (in the NW) he would know that not everyone in Westeros can "decide for themselves." In fact there's little in his story that would make Sam a democrat, this truly came out of nowhere. Anyway the moment a character raised the issue it became less about Westeros and more about our world. At some point (because of the lack of book material) the show veered away from "realism" (verisimilitude, let's say) and started to go into obvious/superficial social commentary. It seems to me it's too easy to have an "in-context" answer to a modern question if the modern question shouldn't even be there in the first place. And again, my main point was that the show wouldn't have had this problem if it had remained focused on fantasy. Except no woman sits on the IT in the end, that *is* what Žižek is saying... If the show makes a point about having a feminist vibe but ultimately doesn't deliver, it ends up delivering an anti-feminist message. It probably wasn't intended, but it *is* what is achieved. I suppose giving power to the disabled or social upstarts is interesting/progressive, but I don't think the show bothered much (or enough) about their plight in the first place... It would have worked if it had been anticipated and this had in fact been a theme throughout the show. Was it though? And even if you consider that it was (it's possible), can Davos and Bronn truly be seen as representative of social mobility? I think I get your point. And maybe the showrunners did indeed try to give us a progresive ending/message. But if they did I agree with Žižek that they failed. Democracy was laughed at in the finale of the most-watched show in history. Female empowerement ended up being limited through the killing of the two lead female characters (both of which died with their lovers). Restoration of traditional feudalism and aristocratism was presentend as good. I wouldn't care if the final season had been about the Second Long Night. But it wasn't! The showrunners made it about politics, and in many ways about *modern* politics too. They shot themselves in the foot, and I'm not inclined to blame the pistol for that... They made the pistol too.
  9. the Last Teague

    Marston Waters, most decisive Lord Commander EVER

    Peake's gang controled the court, the goldcloaks and the city. But none of them was a Regent or a Small Council member, so they needed the Lord Commander to gave their coup some legitimacy. One thing is having orders from the LC, who is also Hand. The other is acting on your own. Everybody hated the Logarre, so they had a good pretext. I think they always knew Lord Thaddeus was a loyalist. In fact, Peake was angry with him for taking "his" place as Hand of the King. Waters showed surprise when Lord Rowan
  10. Hippocras

    The Missing Scenes/Episodes

    I am sure some of you must have ideas.
  11. Beardy the Wildling

    People's reaction to Dany turning Mad Queen says something about us as humans

    Fair point, but not only did she never follow through, but never had to because they usually capitulated. That is, they surrendered.The exact thing King's Landing did. I can think of many ways to make her snap. But why for the love of all things holy did they do it when she'd already won? Here's an example of a better way to handle it: Don't kill Rhaegal in Ep 4, have Dany not forget about the Iron fleet and therefore decimate it. Euron survives, pissed that his glorious fleet is gone. Also handles the issue of Aimbot Pirate. After that, Dany attacks with two dragons and disables most of the ballistae, forcing KL to surrender. Initially Dany accepts that, but then Euron, crazy, angry, and just plain after a fight, shoots a resting Rhaegal. This, along with the civilians cheering at the proof that dragons are mortal, makes Dany completely dishonour the surrender agreement, see the civilians as ideological enemies that need to be 'taught a lesson', and in general, goes apeshit. Easy changes, just as many scenes, far more organic. Not perfect, but better than 'Surrender bells? KOWABUNGA IT IS'
  12. Aldarion

    Why aren’t people intimidated by the dragons?

    Maybe because they had been preparing for them, and are too optimistic? I mean, Aegon's dragons were an outside-context problem. But they are not any longer, and now you have weapons designed to deal with dragons. Also, if you look at background of the books, there had been cases of dragons taken out by ground weapons. It was never easy, but it did happen.
  13. Aldarion

    How is it fantasy?

    That will depend. Magic seems to be connected to dragons, and if dragons are killed, the world might well end up without any magic at all.
  14. AryaNymeriaVisenya

    So once again...the writers forgot about Gendry

    Yes the position of King in the North does vanish when you acknowledge a Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. That is the reason Ned wasn't King. Torrhen knelt. She made him Warden of the North, a military position. Sansa has been acting as Lady Paramount all season, co-coordinating the Northern houses. Ned Umber answered to her first, not Jon or Dany. If she were merely Lady of Winterfell he would not have to answer to her at all.
  15. Aldarion

    The aftermatch of the decision made by D&D

    Problem is that they sacrificed story quality in favour of production quality. Sorry, but as much as I like to joke that I'm "watching the show for the dragons"*, CGI does not make up for shitty writing. * Not exactly a joke though, Drogon and Rhaegal were probably the best written characters in the last couple of seasons, once you start recognizing dragon moods and facial expressions.
  16. Deminelle

    Independent North

    Obviously Theresa May hasn't watched Game of Thrones. She could have learned something from Sansa.
  17. This is not how it works Jon bent the knee but he still rules the North. The position of King in The North does not vanish. You also did not see Jon abdicate that position. And above all, I will repeat, Jon still rules the North, not Sansa!!!!!
  18. Yes, the whole conflict is bananas!!!!! Pretty much the only thing Jon had to do was say that he abdicated in favor of Dany. Which by the way he seemed pretty happy and likely to do. So, she should have had no fear on his side. Not at all! Ok, there may have been issues with their more romantic relations. And yes, Dany may have been pretty sad about that. But she would not be against Jon or in fear of Jon given that he always supported her. Dany had no single instance where she could think that Jon was after her throne. If he wants his true identity to be known, that´s pretty much not relevant if he also keeps supporting her. The only real danger is that someone could think about murdering her to have him solely ruling. But that issue would also likely come to be if she was made Queen and he was at her side. Him not being a Targ would not stop him from being the King consort and thus being a possible candidate for power. If Cersei could get into the throne just by being Robert´s widow, so could Jon Snow! Therefore...Jon being Targ or not should have been irrelevant for Dany as long as he kept supporting her. And if he decided to go against her, him being Targ or not would again make no big diference. He could also go against her just being Jon Snow, King in the North.
  19. Also, a few weeks after the city was razed to the ground and its inhabitants slaughtered, Dothraki just strolling around an intact KL port chatting like a pair of Braavosi merchants. That cracked me up when I watched the episode. That makes sense. Totally.
  20. AryaNymeriaVisenya

    So once again...the writers forgot about Gendry

    Jon hasn't been King in the North since he bent the knee to Daenerys. He is imprisoned and was complicit in her attack on King's Landing before it got out of his control. I don't think Tyrion got a vote, he made the suggestion. Sam was the first to vote on the suggestion
  21. It is more just an example of the contrived writing leading to this point (which is why the show died for me mid way through S7). She wouldn't have needed to do anything like what she did in S8Ep5 because at that point she felt secure, she still had all of her army, all of her dragons, and Jon's rival claim had not been revealed. There was also no reason whatsoever to pause after destroying most of the Lannister army in the field. It was fairly easy in the show to storm KL as it was, imagine how much easier it would have been with a weaker Lannister army, no Golden Company and a full strength army. The show needed to get to a certain point and didn't have a logical way to get there.
  22. Bernie Mac

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    So GRRM's complaints about Aragon's tax policy looks pretty hypocritical as GRRM is just making his version of Gandalf king. Not that we've seen in either the books or the show. He's happy to have Bronn manage the taxes of the kingdom. But, again, if it is its another case of none government, the magical tax fairy solves the problems of running the realm. No work, no government just magic. One can't have children, one is believed to be able to create heirs. Monarchies are preoccupied with heirs. Medieval realms are deeply concerned with Kings having an heir. It seems very unlikely that GRRM would have his nobility have a collective brainfart and ignore this, especially as his Targaryen history is full of Kings marrying early to secure heirs. The true War of the Roses was not really resolved while Henry VII was king, it was not until his death and the ascension of Henry VIII, the true union of the Lancasters and Yorks, was the realm at peace. I actually have zero idea why Tyrion nominated him. They barely interacted all season, there was little in the show to indicate that Tyrion thought him worthy of ruling the realm. But Tyrion is a fan of broken things, the misfits of the world everyone else despises. Bran certainly qualifies under that umbrella in the backwards world of the middle ages. Tyrion nominating Bran is one thing, the rest of the realm (which is much larger than in the show) following suit is quite another. The only reason the Lords have power is because they have not tried something else. What you are suggesting is Turkey's voting fro Christmas. The idea that their families will not keep power and someone can be elected to it is not a change that is going to happen for decades, maybe centuries in Westeros' society. I know, but I thought I'd share my opinion on it. Tyrion becoming King at the end seems unlikely to me, even with Sansa as a bride but I still see a Tyrion-Sansa Monarchy as a more likely scenario than Bran ending up king based on the 5 books and other accompanying canon material in this series.
  23. She hadn't done it before, true, but she did threaten to burn cities on multiple occasions. I tried to find a video of all the times she threatened to burn cities to the ground - she did it more than once - but this will serve as well: https://www.bustle.com/p/11-times-dany-burning-kings-landing-down-was-foreshadowed-on-game-of-thrones-17868220 https://www.inverse.com/article/55831-why-did-daenerys-burn-kings-landing-game-of-thrones-season-8-dany-mad-queen-foreshadowing-40-examples
  24. Really? The only one of his children the show made to act as an honorable man first, who obeys those principles even to his detriment is Jon. Or Robb, who got killed off really fast for that kind of thinking. All of the others either died or became irrevocably changed from the kind of person who would commit treason if it was the right thing to do should it gain them nothing. Even the ultimate superego consciousness of the world character they sold us in Bran is then made to say 'what do you think I came all this way for' or something like it. My comparison, if it was one, was about the cost of a moral choice and the idea that somehow it pays off in the so-called reality of GoT. Cersei's character as portrayed was never moral unless you consider it to be 'might is right. The kind of reaction to trauma you're describing being spun into propaganda and her core belief about her dragons was very obviously done. 'The only children I'll ever have'. A barren woman stiling herself as a mother is the same kind of misdirection PR as say, Queen Elisabeth I claiming to be a virgin queen because she would not marry or as such, create a line of sucession.
  25. Well he only has 2 dudes at Castle Black to Lord Commander it over. He'll be taking a few day trips and weekend breaks to take a dog walk on the wildling side.
  26. King Jon Snow Stark

    Independent North

    Sansa could have been asking for an independent north for Jon but once Jon took the black he gave up the throne. The North was given independence before Jon was punished. Sansa says the north just lost their king before he takes the boat. So it 7 kingdoms picked a king. The king made the north independent but the north’s king just killed the previous queen of the 7 kingdom in the capital city. Jon is a captured man and he is facing the ruling of the kingdom he was captured in. He was sentenced to the wall. Once he takes the black he gives up the northern Throne and claims to the southern one too. Sansa becomes queen since she was Jon’s heir. And Bran has no one to come after his throne. Jon does not want to rule. Bran gave Jon an out. Jon is basically Aemon.
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