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  2. Ghost+Nymeria4Eva

    GoT and Feminism: What Happens Now?

    Do you get your history lessons on Reddit? No, different tribes enslaving war captives, like in Brazil for some reason, is NOT what's happening in Meereen. They are buying and trading people much like what the white Americans did. GRRM didn't base ASIAOF on Brazilian history, he did is based on European history. The Meereenese are essentially Europeans and Euro-Americans who got rich off slavery and never intended to give it up. It's pretty obvious that you are. Bringing up Brazilians out of nowhere; why couldn't find a Mexican example? Lol. In any case, all of this is beside the point you want to make. No you idiot. Common law is English law. Common law anywhere in the world is essentially English law. Former British colonies (Like the US or India) still use common law practices. Tribal laws are NOT referred to as common law. Tribal laws are usually called tribal laws, or takes the name after the tribe. There are other types of laws as well, like religious laws or king's law in monarchies. No one refers to anything as "law of the land" as common law as it's a very specific, English-origin legal system that's now spread around the world following imperial conquest. Westeros doesn't have anything close to common law as they don't have JUDGES. The king or queen sits in judgement of people, or someone in their place. Essos has differing governance systems but in slaver's bay, no such thing as common law exists. Dany sits in judgement of people, so what they have is probably queen's law. So you are essentially trying to apply legal principles of a very modern, English law system we have in real life to a fictional fantasy world that already has a set of rules of its own. Going around history and law again; what is the POINT you are trying to make?
  3. I think it would have made more sense for the new prince of Dorne and especially Yara (who'd already been granted independence by Dany) to make their claims, but that doesn't take anything away from the North.
  4. Jaime the Goldenhand

    The Ending Was very conventional

    Completely agree. This ending achieved nothing, didn't challenge anything. It was a complete cookie cutter ending that didn't bring any sense of closure to any particular part of the story. 1. So it was all about choosing the RIGHT king. Wow, what a fucking waste of 8 seasons. Bran is a good king because he is impotent and has a good story...wtf...most of the common people would never even believe his story if they heard it. He's going to be a good leader because he fatalistically accepts everything that happens around him. How will he negotiate with Winterfell given that he is a Stark? Won't this bother any of the other lords? 2. There is now an extra wheel. The North 3. Foreigners go back to foreign land or just disappear. They had no agency or purpose other than to FOLLOW DANY. It was the equivalent of the Army of the Dead all collapsing after NK died. 4. Sansa just leaves the Seven kingdoms with no consequences at all. I guess no one else really GETS the North you know... 5. Brienne commits the noble lie, protecting the common folk and future King's Guard from the terrifying truth that is Jamie's botched story line. He sure did protect his queen from all those falling rocks. This story didn't have anything interesting to say about medieval politics. It just made us familiar with a bunch of characters and then put them in all the positions of power so that we would be happy about it. Barely any of it made any logical sense and Westeros is no better or worse than when we started. All the political intrigue played itself out until there was none left. We are left with the impression that none of the lords of Westeros have any vested interest in how their country is run. They blindly accept the new king. I suppose Westeros is run by people like D&D who just don't give a fuck. This is a non-ending, with no real change from the beginning.
  5. Journey95

    Who was Daenerys turned into?

    Yeah the show handled it badly. I just don't get fans who aren't even open to the Mad queen Dany idea and have made up their mind already.
  6. So Tyrions patricide...he killed a man who hated him his whole life, who was going to have him executed that next morning for a crime he knows he didn't commit, who was sleeping with the woman Tyrion loved, is a bad thing? IDK... Yeah, while a cross bow was pointed at him Tywin says he wasn't going to kill Tyrion but we all know he was. He had Jaime back as his heir and that was all he wanted. He didn't kill Joffery and we all know it so why even mention it? Genocide, really, this is your thought? He was trying to stop it with everything he had. He abandoned his Queen when she did it and told he so to her face. The common people who are left alive have no clue what part he played, only what he does going forward.
  7. Varysblackfyre321

    GoT and Feminism: What Happens Now?

    Yeah, everybody in a large could agree on something. Sure, most instances could find some form of disagreement but these are particularly dire and exceptional times. And what they have in front of them was an invader whose just butchered the Slaver populace of Astaphor. Daenerys represents an existential threat to them and their very way of life. Anything that could possibly encourage her to stop her advance would not be shot down. And these wouldn’t be “children” the GM would see as slaughtering. They’d be cattle being butchered. Every single instance we get in relation to the Slavers discussing slaves it’s clear they genuinely don’t see them as human. There could be one exceptional individual who for some reason is far more progressive that his setting would dictate. But the odds of that are slim.
  8. Nymeria Stone

    Who was Daenerys turned into?

    sure, as long as its done properly
  9. So really its all Sam's fault. Bran thought Jon was a Sand instead of a Snow until Sam informed him of the Septon's diary.
  10. If any kingdom deserved to be independent it should have been Dorne.
  11. Ingelheim

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    I'm going to copy here a post I had on another thread about what I believe will be the plot points both Book and Show share: Things that will be the same: -R+L= J -Dany taking over the 7 Kingdoms. -Jon becomes a dragon rider. -Cersei will become Queen, -Jon and Dany will fall in love. -Jon will find out about his true lineage, Daenerys will too. The Realm will be torn (Ice vs Fire). -Dany will go mad (and I actually believe the reasons for it to be the ones the show had; death of friends + hatred of the people + Jon being a Targ + she believing herself to be some kind of savior, destined to break the wheel and rule over all) -Jon Snow will fight Daenerys. -Jon will kill her. (Azor Ahai) -The Iron Throne will be destroyed. The rest I'm not really sure. I doubt the arcs of characters like Jaime, Cersei, Tyrion or Bran will be the same. My bet about the main difference between the Show and the Books endings is that the 7 kingdoms will no longer exist by the end of ASOIAF.
  12. CrypticWeirwood

    I really like what Drogon did but...

    Oh so Dany's having her second life in Drogon rather than Bran just driving him around for a spin that day? Cool!
  13. That's nonsense. Sansa never craved the throne. She could easily have pitched for the (melted) Throne at the meeting if she'd wanted it and the choice would have been unanimous. All she wanted was freedom for the North, who had had it for 8000 minus 300 years and deserved it after suffering the bulk of damage from the AotD.
  14. So? This series was never about what you deserve. I get complaints about the execution (it sucked) but people getting salty over their favourite characters not getting happy endings are ridiculous.
  15. Martell Spy

    U.S. Politics: You Didn't Think It Would Be So Easy, Did You?

    Well, I can tell you one thing. If a candidate goes on Fox News to make nice, I will not be voting for them in the primary. So fuck you Sanders and Beto. Why not just don Nazi regalia and march around and then Instragram it?
  16. snow is the man

    Purpose of the wall now ?

    There is no purpose. They don't even really have to deal with the wildlings since so many died. It's basically just sending criminals and traitors to winter camp forever. Although I think jon just left.
  17. Absolutely phenomenal analysis pudgiebudgie. This is what I live for! I love to read intelligently thought-out theories whether or not I'm completely on board with them, and ASOIAF lends itself to that more than any other modern literary classic. Whilst it's disappointing that D&D as 'showrunners' and not 'show writers' cannot maintain GRRM's quality, I'm really glad that you do acknowledge the reasonable job they do do. We live in such a dumbed-down age that 90% of the viewers of a pop TV show just can't appreciate the nuances of a story that goes beyond cliched tropes, that posters like you are so deeply buried under the dross that it takes me a week to find you! Now it would be a disappointment if, after all your fine work, I could offer nothing more than a 'hooray!' or 'boo'!, so I do have something to add for your consideration. Where you write about the child survivors having to protect themselves in a hostile environment I'm completely on board with that. When you're talking about parents protecting their children, I think you're missing a trick. The fault isn't yours or the show runners - it ultimately comes down to the inherent sexism in the writer George RR Martin. Consider this - you rightly identify that the FATHERS made errors. I'm thinking of Ned, Robert, Tywin and Jamie (have I missed anyone else significant? Your analysis of Sandor also fits here). However, they all made parental mistakes whilst staying rational and dignified. The MOTHERS on the other hand - Cat, Cercei, Daenerys (with her dragons) (not sure Lysa really counts as she's consistently wishy-washy) turn irrational and hysterical when their children are threatened. I think it's notable that the female characters who don't get over-emotional, like Brienne are motherless. GRRM undermines so many stereotypes, but here I think he lets himself down a little bit.
  18. Really because there are several threads saying the opposite. One of Brans first visions is exactly what we saw in Ep 5, the dragon shadow across KL. Exactly the same path and shadow. Brans response to, would you be king...Why do you think I came here? Means, he came to be King. I never thought he could see the future but these things point to it being possible.
  19. KingMudd

    *SPOILERS* Jon useless information

    If Jon isn't ok with marrying his aunt, I don't think he would ride his dad.
  20. Turning the LOtR's High Fantasy tropes upside down: The wizard instead of destroying Saruon, becomes Saruon, and will rule them all -- including the bended or unbended -- I can't figure this one out -- knees of the North, the 7th Kingdom. In the 7th Kingdom he shall start breeding white walkers/wights baby orcses.
  21. dbunting

    West of Westeros: The Voyages of A. Stark

    Stole this quote from someone else but wouldn't quote properly. A number of people here are wondering why Arya has turned explorer and sails West at the end, but this was foreshadowed in Season 6 Episode 8 when Arya was in Braavos. While tending Arya's wounds from the Waif, Lady Crane invited her to join her theater group but Arya rejected that offer: LADY CRANE: Where will you go? ARYA: Essos is east and Westeros is west. But what's west of Westeros? LADY CRANE: I don't know. ARYA: Nobody does. That's where all the maps stop. The edge of the world, maybe. I'd like to see that. And so, with her business in Westeros settled, she did! So Arya told us flat out on screen that she was going to do exactly what she ended up doing.
  22. Journey95

    Who was Daenerys turned into?

    Sure, that's why GRRM will have to do a much better job than D&D who rushed her development ridiculously. But there is nothing inherently wrong with the Mad queen Dany arc unless you are just a Dany fan who insists on some sort of happy ending
  23. snow is the man

    Who was Daenerys turned into?

    Yeah which she all of a sudden decides to do. She went from "this will be the last war" to "lets keep going to war" No this was crappy writing plain and simple.
  24. I love how Sansa has basically the same motivations at the end as Dany, with both desperately coveting a throne, but the story turns Dany into an evil Hitler-eque monster while Sansa is presented as justified (despite actively working against Jon).
  25. Jaime the Goldenhand

    Use one word to describe the series finale.

    Torture.
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