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The Dutch government will meet in an emergency session tomorrow (Sunday) to discuss whether to close all schools and educational establishments. Invited to this meeting will be representatives of professional associations of medical specialists, hospitals, and the National Health Institute. 

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181 patients here, around 40 more than yesterday. And the first victim, a man who used to live in a home for the elderly. A few other residents of the same home are also infected.

As far as working exclusively from home is concerned, I do a lot of proofreading, which is always done from home. It is just staring at a computer with a word document open, consulting websites and digital dictionaries and whatnot. And I think I would go crazy within a week if I had to exclusively do this without other assignments and without another job that involves actual human interaction. Working from home is convenient in some ways - no commute, no need for office-appropriate clothing, the ability to set your own schedule in my case - but the isolation would be terrible for most people, I imagine. And I don't even live on my own. Right now it is the sensible thing to do to work from home, but I don't think most people would be able to do it long-term because of the isolation. And also I agree with what was said about not everybody having appropriate space/equipment to work from at home.

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2 minutes ago, Buckwheat said:

. And I think I would go crazy within a week if I had to exclusively do this without other assignments and without another job that involves actual human interaction.

Additionally for most people working at home actually means working in a coffee shop.  And people are doing that; it didn't stop.  So in some ways this closing of offices of certain kinds isn't helping at all, but exposing ever more members of the population.  

It really sux to not know much if anything about this disease, how it operates, time sequences and all the rest!

 

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Second day of isolating at home, with my wife working a 12 hour hospital shift all day again. We needed to be out of the house for two hours because we're trying to sell and our realtor lined up a couple of private showings. Where do you take a five year old when movies, restaurants, and playgrounds are off limits? Seems like a lot of people had the same idea as me, because the beach was relatively busy for mid-March. It was a blustery and raw day and my son called me "selfish" for taking him somewhere he didn't want to go. His mother and I have tried as much as possible to explain that it's not safe to go to playgrounds and other fun places. We left the beach after a few minutes and went to a nature trail my wife and I like. Surprisingly busy there too. But the little guy at least enjoyed it more out there.

We finally came home around lunch time, having successfully avoided other people's germs. And then he saw the business card left by a visiting real estate agent, and stuck it to his mouth. :dunno:

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4 minutes ago, Zorral said:

Additionally for most people working at home actually means working in a coffee shop.  And people are doing that; it didn't stop.  So in some ways this closing of offices of certain kinds isn't helping at all, but exposing ever more members of the population.  

It really sux to not know much if anything about this disease, how it operates, time sequences and all the rest!

Hm, I didn't even think of the possibility more people would work from coffee shops now - I don't see that much here anyway, and I have never tried it. Way too loud there for me, I cannot even work with quiet calm music playing, let along people talking all around.

Our government is discussing shutting down all hospitality establishments now.

I am sure smart people will figure out a lot about it soon. These virologists, biologists, immunologists etc. are clever people.

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1 hour ago, ljkeane said:

No, he's called Tomas Pueyo. People posted links to his article a couple of times in the last thread. This appears to be an updated version.

Ah, ok. I missed all that. The Snow Day article is the only widely shared Medium article seen. 

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Something beautiful is that we started seeing the first applauses at 10 pm from the balconies dedicated to all the doctors and nurses, something that started happenibg in Italy a few days ago.

I think all the coubtries (UK aside, I hope I am wrong) will start taking the same measures or similar ones. It's like watching the immediate future or immeduate past of what it is essentially the same culture in all the European countries...

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We've got our first case:

COVID-19 reaches N.L. as 1st presumptive case announced

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Newfoundland and Labrador has its first presumptive case of COVID-19, the province's chief medical officer of health Dr. Janice Fitzgerald announced Saturday evening.

Fitzgerald said the woman recently returned from travel on a cruise ship in the Caribbean and is currently self-isolating and contact tracing has begun. She said the person has mild symptoms and is doing well, but could give no further details due to privacy concerns.

"Our public health officials continue to work very hard and are well-prepared," said Fitzgerald.

"We knew our province would eventually get cases and there are plans in place to respond."

While concern about this new virus is understandable, Fitzgerald said, there is no need to panic.

"This is one case. Public health is doing its job … there is not a cause for alarm at this point," she said.

"We're always concerned when we see this type of disease evolving, but our measures are in place and I think we can rely on those measures to find the cases."

Fitzgerald said a total of 144 people in the province have been tested for COVID-19 and 67 have been confirmed negative, and results are forthcoming for the remaining people from the National Microbiology Lab in Manitoba. 

She said 121 people in the province are currently in isolation.

Fitzgerald recommended avoiding all non-essential travel outside of Canada. Any travellers who arrive in the province from outside the country should self-isolate for 14 days.

 

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Closing of schools and universities. Restrictions on Museums, concerts, cinemas, gyms. Closure of them. Closing of restaurants and bars. General panic for fearing we won't have enough food. The particular case of toilet paper...

Closure or quarantene in the frontiers. Not happening in Spain, despite the Autonomous Presidents (in my case the Catalan one) having asked for that.

It's all very similar.

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3 minutes ago, Aemon Stark said:

I happened to catch the press conference from PEI today, announcing their first case as well. Also a woman who had been on a cruise. I am so grateful we never booked one for January, when we have often gone, because we thought prices were ridiculous. Also, we haven't been since Trump first became president, because behaviour was actually becoming more, mmmmm, aggressive, let's say. 

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Down to our last roll of toilet paper, but luckily found a couple packages left at our local target. Would never have thought that would have been an issue, but we’re closing on our new home Wednesday and the in laws are driving in. Not sure how smart that is, but we can’t bring a one year old to a closing and have no other options.

I almost can’t think of it because closing, moving, in-laws, not working, and finding out we’re having a second, then closing on our old house, all within a couple weeks. Oh, and I’m pretty sure one of my dogs is on her way out :(

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6 hours ago, Tijgy said:

Yeah, people do crazy stuff when you say they cannot stay in crowded places. 

Belgium said they would close bars/restaurants friday at midnight. A bunch of idiots thought it was a good idea to party until the closing time. But, awesome, the bars/restaurants aren't closed in the Netherlands. So today all the towns at the border of Flanders/Netherlands were full of Flemish idiots shopping and eating. 

You can solve this very easily: close the borders, forbid Belgians from leaving Belgium from spreading the virus to the rest of the world... But that would be bad for the assurances. So the government won't do that. :dunno:

That's exactly what happened yesterday here. And a bunch of people going on holidays to other places like the beach.

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Nothing is as bad as Outbreak, but even Contagion with the dramatic meningitis and seizures is fairly crazy over the top (even if chillingly prescient in other ways). 

The major difference between SARS-CoV2 and Influenza is the current lack of a vaccine or treatment with a good evidence base. There probably will be a vaccine - maybe within the year, maybe longer - but at this early stage we're mainly looking at "best supportive care". It's certainly possible it could end up being a seasonal event, with regular annual influenza-like epidemics. Or it could go the way of SARS-CoV1 and disappear. There's not enough known about how this virus might evolve over the medium to longer term to know for sure. 

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2 hours ago, Zorral said:

Additionally for most people working at home actually means working in a coffee shop.  And people are doing that; it didn't stop.  So in some ways this closing of offices of certain kinds isn't helping at all, but exposing ever more members of the population.  

It really sux to not know much if anything about this disease, how it operates, time sequences and all the rest!

 

I think for most people working at home means working at home. Maybe for some people working at home means working in a cafe, but it's not a very good working environment. And if social isolation and self-isolation are the current reasons for closing offices then every worker sent home need to be told to not just go and work in some other crowded, confined space.

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38 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

I think for most people working at home means working at home. Maybe for some people working at home means working in a cafe, but it's not a very good working environment. And if social isolation and self-isolation are the current reasons for closing offices then every worker sent home need to be told to not just go and work in some other crowded, confined space.

Guess you know nothing jon snow about the vast working and studying and writing books, etc. in coffee shops culture that has long been a large portion of NYC behavior.  Going back at least to and even before 9/11.

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Our county’s K-12 schools are closed until April 14. The announcement came on Friday evening at around 5:30 pm. Neither teachers nor students knew it would be that soon. Communication about online learning should be forthcoming. I hope the school is open one day next week for students to pick up books, notes and other essential materials. My son keeps an extra set of textbooks at home, but my daughter does not.  All communication from the school district will be via text or email.  The real problem is that the public library is also closing on Monday and we are in a rural area of upstate NY. Some students do not have access to broadband internet or even reliable cell service. 

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