Maithanet Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Zorral said: What I hope is this strengthens Ukraine. But as Prigozhin has complained for long time that the official Russian military structure has been choking on materiel supplies to his forces, I worry. Fixing corruption isn't ever simple. There is no way they're going to get it fixed on the fly during a war while under sanctions. If this ends with Wagner exiled, then this has been a pretty big win for Ukraine. Russia's loses some of its best fighters in Wagner, and a few aircraft are down. Not too mention Putin needing to focus on Russian security rather than defending Zaporihzhya. Edited June 24, 2023 by Maithanet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 What exactly did Prigozhin gain from all of this? Isnt he in a worse position now since before the coup? Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Also, needing Lukashenko to negotiate a deal to save his ass must have Putin fuming. Not a good look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The Russian units that joined with Wagner must be shitting bricks. I can see imminent transfers to the frontline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Irrelevant? The latitude of Fargo (North Dakota) and Moorehead (Minnesota) on the Red River of the North is the same latitude as Rostov. ND has lots of Ukrainian homesteader heritage voters. They have been big supporters of the US supporting Ukraine, unlike the rest of the magarat states of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said: The Russian units that joined with Wagner must be shitting bricks. I can see imminent transfers to the frontline More like transfers to open windows and jail cells. It's hard to see a paranoid person like Putin ever trusting any of these people again. While this did turn out to be a bummer for everyone that wanted to see Putin ripped to pieces at least it likely helped Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said: What exactly did Prigozhin gain from all of this? Isnt he in a worse position now since before the coup? Money, I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gaston de Foix said: Money, I assume. He controls diamond mines in Africa. Humiliating a man who poisons his enemies with nerve agents and radioactive materials in front of the whole world is not what I would consider a shrewd move Gaston de Foix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Gaston de Foix said: Money, I assume. Paying off Prigozhin makes more sense than anything else… except Pirgozhin has to know he’s a dead man walking. Money doesn’t spend well in Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Edited June 24, 2023 by SpaceChampion dog-days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) What Prigozhin gets is all the Russian state military matériel and hands off conducting the Ukraine invasion as he likes. In the end he'll add most valuable Ukraine territory to his already massive property portfolio. Or so he may think. Edited June 24, 2023 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said: What exactly did Prigozhin gain from all of this? Isnt he in a worse position now since before the coup? I assume he gets to keep his band. What started this was this pissing contest between Wagner and MoD, with Putin siding with the MoD and demanding the Wagnerites sign new contracts with MoD and thus defacto taking Prigozhin's toy away. Assuming he really is as big an idiot as he seems, I think he wants to keep his toys to raise his profille (war hero shizzle) to actually get elected into office instead of taking it by rights of conquest. Of course he won't live to see the next election. But that's how I'd read the situation. P.S. As required by law. When you play the game of thrones you win or you die. There's no middle ground. Prizhogin is gonna learn the hard way. Edited June 24, 2023 by A Horse Named Stranger Corvinus85, The hairy bear and Ser Scot A Ellison 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, SpaceChampion said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, Zorral said: What Prigozhin gets is all the Russian state military matériel and hands off conducting the Ukraine invasion as he likes. In the end he'll add most valuable Ukraine territory to his already massive property portfolio. Or so he may think. Perhaps. But a few hours ago he was in position to get pretty much all the property of Russia. Seems like a poor trade off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 33 minutes ago, SpaceChampion said: His tweets should apparently be taken with a pinch of salt dog-days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Fez said: Perhaps. But a few hours ago he was in position to get pretty much all the property of Russia. Seems like a poor trade off. I know no more than thee, so, In the meantime though, I hope desatanist is paying attention here, as he's hiring his own state praetorian, private and personal armed force from dismissed, demoted and reprimanded cops across the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Looks like Prigozhin is more a Pompey than a Caesar. So fleeing to Africa is the next move. Although there might be some leader there who wants to do Putin a favour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Major war in Europe. Worldwide pandemic. Titanic claiming lives through hubris and lack of safety. Revolution in Russia. The 2020’s are playing the 1910’s greatest hits Edited June 24, 2023 by Derfel Cadarn Prince of the North, Ser Scot A Ellison, Mindwalker and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, The Wondering Wolf said: Looks like Prigozhin is more a Pompey than a Caesar. So fleeing to Africa is the next move. Although there might be some leader there who wants to do Putin a favour... Anyone carrying out that task will find Putin more grateful than Ceasar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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