kissdbyfire Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) Ooops Edited February 8 by kissdbyfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 7 minutes ago, Conflicting Thought said: But if the means to manage somehing like that arent even available to people how do you do it. Seems like a way to put the responsability of the state in the hands of individuals. Like if your son has antisocial tendencies and you cant afford to take him to the psychologist or to buy him his meds, etc. How are the parents responsible for that. Seems like a bad idea any way you see it That's not really the issue though. I can respect worrying about giving the state more power to harm you based on other people's actions (or lack thereof) but this was a case of ignoring information given, not taking recommended actions and then literally giving the person the murder weapon as a christmas gift. I do think that this will be used maliciously because, well, every state power is. I also think that when you have parents effectively adding to the destructive power of their child they have a responsibility beyond resourcing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) OPINION CHARLES M. BLOW The Political Perils of a Black-Jewish Rift Over the War in Gaza Feb. 7, 2024 gift link -- https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/07/opinion/black-jewish-israel-gaza.html?unlocked_article_code=1.T00.Hnmn.GbzvUi29gE-W&smid=url-share Quote ....But Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, a former chair of the Democratic National Committee, who co-founded the bipartisan Congressional Caucus on Black-Jewish Relations and helped to relaunch it last year, made a point I’ve thought about quite a bit recently: “A protest vote here, or a lack of voting as a protest, is going to result in a more toxic, more painful situation” than already exists for Palestinians, if it means again electing Donald Trump. Even if some voters find that Biden has not pushed back enough against Israel’s right-wing prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, in his prosecution of the war, they should consider that pushback would very likely be nonexistent under Trump. In that way, declining to vote for Biden as a way of expressing support for Palestinians — or at least holding out for a cease-fire — could wind up further hurting the Palestinian cause. The moral position, abstention, could become in effect an immoral act, throwing open the gate and allowing even more danger in. .... Edited February 8 by Zorral drawkcabi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 See? We the Fascist Congress can do! So there! Special airport security escort for political VIPs moving forward in Congress Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) was successful in appending his proposal to a major Senate aviation bill https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/08/airport-security-bill-ted-cruz-00140445 They've been whining about not having that prestige security like presidents and billionaires get for yonks. JGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 44 minutes ago, Zorral said: OPINION CHARLES M. BLOW The Political Perils of a Black-Jewish Rift Over the War in Gaza Feb. 7, 2024 gift link -- https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/07/opinion/black-jewish-israel-gaza.html?unlocked_article_code=1.T00.Hnmn.GbzvUi29gE-W&smid=url-share In the words of Audrey II: drawkcabi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawkcabi Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Zorral said: OPINION CHARLES M. BLOW The Political Perils of a Black-Jewish Rift Over the War in Gaza Feb. 7, 2024 gift link -- https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/07/opinion/black-jewish-israel-gaza.html?unlocked_article_code=1.T00.Hnmn.GbzvUi29gE-W&smid=url-share Steve Shives just said this in his latest video, I don't know if he was quoting someone else, but it's a pretty damn good quote: "Sometimes success is the result of being able to choose the failure you can survive over the one you can't" He was talking about an episode of Star Trek but then he was like "yeah, I'm really talking about the upcoming election..." TheKitttenGuard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmmm Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) Regarding the Republicans now blocking the border bill because Trump wants to run on an anti illegal immigration platform, so he doesn't want the issue resolved before the election, can that really work without backfiring? Is the US electorate really ignorant enough for that? I mean I get Trump's rationale. If he doesn't run on illegal immigration, what else is he going to run on at this point? I guess he was initially banking on also getting to blame Biden for the economic downturn. But the US economy has held up much better than expected and is likely to improve even further until election day, what with the interest rates coming down rapidly. So yeah, sure. But now when they actually got a big border bill created together with the Democrats - isn't it way too late to backtrack? How can the Republicans credibly argue about the border being flooded when the Democrats can just reply that they can stop it any day they want, if they just stop blocking the bill? I don't get it. Edited February 8 by Hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 16 minutes ago, drawkcabi said: Steve Shives just said this in his latest video, I don't know if he was quoting someone else, but it's a pretty damn good quote: "Sometimes success is the result of being able to choose the failure you can survive over the one you can't" He was talking about an episode of Star Trek but then he was like "yeah, I'm really talking about the upcoming election..." WRT Gaza, I'm not entirely sure there is a survivable failure, via the US elections, for those whose lives are actually in danger. The difference between Biden and Trump in this, it seems to me, is Biden can't do anything to solve this problem, Trump has no interest in even wanting to try. The US is shackled to always allowing Israel to pretty much do what it wants, no matter how bad, and to block as far as possible any actions other countries want to take (e.g. using security council veto). No one who wants to fundamentally change the nature of the US-Israel relationship will ever get close to being elected President, and no party will ever be able to stitch together a majority in congress to pass legislation to bring Israel to heel. Larry of the Lawn and Kyoshi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 "Time to put on the imperial hat again" There's also mention of the *shithole* countries that need colonising. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Mr. Chatywin et al. said: In the words of Audrey II: I keep hoping that the legal heads in the Dem administration can come up with a plan to keep getting weapons and munitions to Ukraine as they did for FDR against Hitler -- Lend Lease -- before capitalists and isolationist congress would allow the US to declare war on Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 8 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said: WRT Gaza, I'm not entirely sure there is a survivable failure, via the US elections, for those whose lives are actually in danger. The difference between Biden and Trump in this, it seems to me, is Biden can't do anything to solve this problem, Trump has no interest in even wanting to try. The US is shackled to always allowing Israel to pretty much do what it wants, no matter how bad, and to block as far as possible any actions other countries want to take (e.g. using security council veto). No one who wants to fundamentally change the nature of the US-Israel relationship will ever get close to being elected President, and no party will ever be able to stitch together a majority in congress to pass legislation to bring Israel to heel. Then the rest of the world just has to accept that certain countries and individuals are above all laws. Kyoshi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 21 minutes ago, Hmmm said: Regarding the Republicans now blocking the border bill because Trump wants to run on an anti illegal immigration platform, so he doesn't want the issue resolved before the election, can that really work without backfiring? Is the US electorate really ignorant enough for that? HAHAH yes Also, most electorates are in general, the US is not a special exception 21 minutes ago, Hmmm said: But now when they actually got a big border bill created together with the Democrats - isn't it way too late to backtrack? How can the Republicans credibly argue about the border being flooded when the Democrats can just reply that they can stop it any day they want, if they just stop blocking the bill? I don't get it. They just make up bullshit and people buy it. They can say that ONLY THOSE SENATORS that negotiated did a bad job, and the rest suck. Or they can throw the house under the bus. Again, this is a microcosm of what happened in 2016, where McConnell decided to hold the SCOTUS seat open and SCOTUS didn't try as many things because they were down a person, and people just...accepted it, because it was a better outcome. Realistically what this means is that Trump - even with a unified government, which is no easy guarantee - will STILL not get anything done on the border because they will have absolutely no dem senate support for anything. But that's all okay with them because one of the values of the current Republican system is that government sucks, and therefore you should remove it whenever you can. Them being incompetent in governing is just them being able to show how government is bad, obviously. Instead, they'll give carte blanche to governors in Texas and Arizona to go and kill migrants and choose not to prosecute them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 7 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: Then the rest of the world just has to accept that certain countries and individuals are above all laws. So basically all of human history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Mr. Chatywin et al. said: So basically all of human history. Indeed, but the situation is coming to a head. The time of certain privileged classes and countries being able to act with impunity without consequences coming back onto them is fast* coming to an end. The only question is whether those in the positions of privilege will give it up willingly and peacefully or whether a world shaking conflagration will be how it all comes crashing down. I think I have some notion of what's more likely. *By fast I mean fast relative to the timescale of all human history. It's likely shit is going to drag on for our lifetime and possibly even the lifetime of the next generation. Though global warming will likely accelerate the process. I expect to be dead, of natural causes, by or not long after 2050. I'm not confident of any truly momentous and transformational shake up happening before then. Edited February 8 by The Anti-Targ kissdbyfire and Rippounet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 So, They Are Saying the TX scumbag made a very poor showing today representing the big stinking orange pile. The Supreme Court sure sounds eager to put Trump back on the ballot Trump’s Supreme Court lawyer was a disaster, and it won’t matter one bit. https://www.vox.com/scotus/2024/2/8/24066103/supreme-court-trump-anderson-ballot-disqualification-roberts-thomas-barrett-jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, Zorral said: See? We the Fascist Congress can do! So there! Special airport security escort for political VIPs moving forward in Congress Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) was successful in appending his proposal to a major Senate aviation bill https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/08/airport-security-bill-ted-cruz-00140445 They've been whining about not having that prestige security like presidents and billionaires get for yonks. How is Ted Cruz a Republican? This kind of horseshit, specifically special treatment for the political elites, is exactly the kind of thing the Republican Party should stand up AGAINST, not sponsor and tack onto other, useful bills. My grandfather would puke. Kalbear, Zorral and Mindwalker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 29 minutes ago, Wilbur said: How is Ted Cruz a Republican? This kind of horseshit, specifically special treatment for the political elites, is exactly the kind of thing the Republican Party should stand up AGAINST, not sponsor and tack onto other, useful bills. My grandfather would puke. Yeah, the party of Reagan was famously against elites Mindwalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Wow. It was just a riot, not an insurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, kissdbyfire said: "Time to put on the imperial hat again" There's also mention of the *shithole* countries that need colonising. Oh well. Sounds like someone thinks Prigozhin had a pretty sweet set up and wants to do similar but thinks he's smart enough to avoid how that ended. On the charging of parents for stuff their kids do - that's only justifiable imo when the parent is an accessory to the crime. Providing a murder weapon after being aware of the issues seems sufficient to be that, but not for any of the other scenarios discussed. And that really should be the framing - the conviction is as an accessory not as a parent. Lord of Oop North, Zorral and kissdbyfire 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 10 minutes ago, karaddin said: Sounds like someone thinks Prigozhin had a pretty sweet set up and wants to do similar but thinks he's smart enough to avoid how that ended. It does. Very often I feel as if I’m a totally different species than anyone talking… basically everywhere. I’m often left w/ the feeling I don’t even understand what anyone is saying anymore b/c it just gets worse and more absurd. 10 minutes ago, karaddin said: On the charging of parents for stuff their kids do - that's only justifiable imo when the parent is an accessory to the crime. Providing a murder weapon after being aware of the issues seems sufficient to be that, but not for any of the other scenarios discussed. And that really should be the framing - the conviction is as an accessory not as a parent. Wholeheartedly agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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