IFR Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) Edit: I'm glad I can use the new title. Tuesday is kind of an awkward release date, so I suggest hiding spoilers for the released episode until Saturday, then feel free to talk openly about the latest episode. I also am guessing that the quality of this show will gradually draw more people, most of whom haven't read the book, so I think book spoilers should stay hidden. At any rate, I'm very excited for this show. Reviews have been encouraging. To be clear, I don't respect professional critics, but that doesn't mean there is no value in their reviews. Their assessment of quality is of course worthless, but their explanation of why they like or dislike a show gives some insight about what one can expect. And it sounds like Shogun is very loyal to the book, and executes it well. I make this thread with the hope that others share an interest in this show. There's such a dearth of quality entertainment, despite the incredible number of shows running, that it's exciting when something with potential makes a rare appearance. Edited February 29 by IFR Title edit Myrddin and AncalagonTheBlack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I've been meaning to re-read the book and/or rewatch the 80's mini series for years now. I own both media versions, yet they've sat on their separate book shelves untouched... My double hardbacks (two volumes) may even be first edition, stolen acquired from my parents. Copywrite date is 1975, but without any edition listings. /blows dust off volume 1 The time is now. Ser Scot A Ellison, kissdbyfire and IFR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncalagonTheBlack Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Veltigar and IFR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) I've never read the book and only have a vague memory of the mini series with Richard Chamberlain. (Holy shit, he's still alive, 89 years old) Is the book as brutal as the trailers for this show indicate? I don't recall the previous mini series to be especially brutal. Edited February 14 by Corvinus85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFR Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 48 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said: I've never read the book and only have a vague memory of the mini series with Richard Chamberlain. (Holy shit, he's still alive, 89 years old) Is the book as brutal as the trailers for this show indicate? I don't recall the previous mini series to be especially brutal. The book is extremely violent, and represented a clash of horrifically oppressive attitudes. From a modern perspective, there are no "heroes" in the book, and no culture or viewpoint to really advocate as the "good" culture or viewpoint. It's great! Myrddin, Larry of the Lawn, Zorral and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) I am looking forward to this as well. I’ve read the book and watched the old miniseries but don’t remember much at all. Is it Toshiro Mifune in the tv show? ETA: Yes, it is, and John Rhys-Davies is in it as well? Edited February 14 by kissdbyfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) I remember being excited from the trailer before a movie months back and then forgetting the details as time passed. Where and when does this stream? Edited March 3 by DireWolfSpirit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Holy shit, very excited about this. I've probably read the book 5 or 6 times and it's one of two books that I keep under my car seat for emergency reading. Just pick a spot and random and go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 11 hours ago, DireWolfSpirit said: I remember being excited from the trailer before a movie mos back and then forgetting the details as time passed. Where and when does this stream? FX. Streamed on Hulu. Which is now included on Disney+ i think? idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 FX is on Hulu, not Disney+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, Myrddin said: FX is on Hulu, not Disney+ It is internationally. Shogun will stream on the "Star" subchannel on Disney+ overseas. Myrddin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 The good thing about the program starting while I'm gone is there will be several episode available when I return, which, if it is any good, will be an excellent way to decompress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 It's years since I've read it (I also enjoyed the mini-series). I do remember Lord Yabu composing a haiku, as he listened to a prisoner being boiled alive, contrasting his inner tranquility with the man's anguish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Okay so I found the release date for HULU streaming in my area- Shōgun premieres on Hulu Tuesday, February 27, with the first two episodes of the 10-episode series. The remaining episodes will be released weekly on Tuesdays until the finale in April.4 days ago Myrddin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncalagonTheBlack Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Larry of the Lawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 First episode was excellent. Really great performances, set design, costuming, and the politicking was clear and well-handled, from the big-picture stuff in Osaka right down to Blackthorne working out how to handle Yabushige. Getting slight James Purefoy-in-his-prime vibes from Cosmo Jarvis as well. Nestor Carbonell as the Spanish working for the Portuguese who seemed to learn English from a Scotsman is also incredibly entertaining. AncalagonTheBlack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFR Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 Both released episodes are superb. Finally some good television to fill the absence of Succession, Barry, and Better Call Saul. There have been some changes, and the focus is much more on Toranaga and the politicking in Japan rather than the culture shock from Blackthorn's point of view, and I am absolutely fine with it. Even with ten episodes, the book is over a thousand pages long and very fast-paced with a lot going on, so it was wise of the writers to choose what to focus on. And the politicking in the book (and the show) is fantastic. Even some of the added scenes that weren't in the book capture the Clavell's tone and dialogue very well. This is a show with a large Asian presence and strong women characters, and whose co-writer and co-creator is a woman and person of color (Japanese) yet somehow I suspect there won't be a campaign about how detractors are racist sexists in this case because the show is superb and doesn't require that crutch to lean on. The imdb rating is a 9.4 right now. I guess the racist sexists haven't caught on about this show is the narrative we have to go with. 38 minutes ago, Werthead said: Getting slight James Purefoy-in-his-prime vibes from Cosmo Jarvis as well. Too many reviews compare this show with Game of Thrones, when really Rome is a more apt comparison: a fantastically well crafted and written historical fiction that takes place in a brutal oppressive society. Anyway, excellent writing, acting, directing, sumptuous visuals, etc., so far. I'm very pleased. Zorral and Scott_N 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Reviews are fantastic. 9.4 on imdb (admittedly early days). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFR Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 Here's a good, informative interview by Vanity Fair with Hiroyuki Sanada: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/hiroyuki-sanada-shogun-awards-insider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Yeah, the first episode was great. On to episode 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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