aceluby Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, unJon said: I think the Dalton bond has the same “realism” factor as Craig, even more so. Yes, spies are constantly lassoing planes on their way to skydive into weddings. Classic British spy work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, aceluby said: Yes, spies are constantly lassoing planes on their way to skydive into weddings. Classic British spy work. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 There was only casino royale that made any real attempt at "back to basics" Bond for me. The others have been a continual reversion to the same old Bond. Innuendos and slight campiness are back not that I'm completely averse to that given I grew up on Moore onwards era Bond. It's a shame about all the delays with the new film. It's almost getting to the point where all the talked about next bonds will be too old or only have a single film in them at current production rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isis Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 15 hours ago, Rhom said: My favorite example of this is in Diamonds are Forever when Connery slips his ID on the body of the SPECTRE baddie he has just killed and the lady with him pulls the wallet and says “You just killed James Bond!!!” And Connery says “Is that who that was? Well... just goes to show no ones invincible.” Superb. Taking it to the extreme and playing it for laughs is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Sigil Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 the frustrating thing is that we've all seen Casino Royale, and I'm sure that the studio understands that in most people's opinions, that is the best Bond movie, and yet they seem not able to resist the campiness of playing California Girls during a snowboard chase scene in View to a Kill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Connery to Moore are clearly the same Bond (though why Bond and Blofeld dont recognise each other in HMSS is odd. Presumambly Blofeld had surgery, and maybe Bond's Japanese disguise in YOLT was really good). Certainly we see Moore at Bond's dead wife's grave. From Dalton on this doesnt work albeit they do have the odd reference such as Felix mentioning Bond's dead wife (even the same Felix actor as L&LD. Even Moneypenny has de-aged. I'd consider it the same continuity from Dr No to View To A Kill, but not after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 40 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Connery to Moore are clearly the same Bond (though why Bond and Blofeld dont recognise each other in HMSS is odd. Presumambly Blofeld had surgery, and maybe Bond's Japanese disguise in YOLT was really good). Certainly we see Moore at Bond's dead wife's grave. From Dalton on this doesnt work albeit they do have the odd reference such as Felix mentioning Bond's dead wife (even the same Felix actor as L&LD. Even Moneypenny has de-aged. I'd consider it the same continuity from Dr No to View To A Kill, but not after that. There is a reference to Tracy Draco in one of the Brosnan films too. Maybe Goldeneye? Woman is running down his dossier and says “Wife... killed...” and Bond cuts her off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 It also feels to me that other franchises are doing aspects of Bond better these days. Kingsman has the tongue in cheek campiness down but with a more modern edge (although the sequel to me was poor there's still a third being planned). The mission impossible films seem to have the action and stunts nailed. The Bourne films have become a bit redundant so I kind of feel the Casino Royale style of film seems to be the genre to lean into. That said with Cary fukunaga directing there are many options for the style the film could go in. I'm more interested in his film than Danny Boyle's tbh (although it's a shame that fell through as well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 All Bonds have the same backstory (killed wife). That doesn't mean Connery - Moore (or even Dalton) were the same man. There wasn't the same sense of story carrying over multiple movies, nor is Bond the type of character that really changes from adventure to adventure. Craig's Bond has held a strong continuity, but it remains to be seen whether the next Bond will continue directly or just pay the shared backstory. Seeing that Craig has dealt with "aging" agent storyline, not sure they can really claim the next guy is the same guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Myrddin said: All Bonds have the same backstory (killed wife). That doesn't mean Connery - Moore (or even Dalton) were the same man. There wasn't the same sense of story carrying over multiple movies, nor is Bond the type of character that really changes from adventure to adventure. Craig's Bond has held a strong continuity, but it remains to be seen whether the next Bond will continue directly or just pay the shared backstory. Seeing that Craig has dealt with "aging" agent storyline, not sure they can really claim the next guy is the same guy. I disagree. The Connery films definitely had a running story with Spectre being gradually revealed. This was mostly dropped in the Moore films, but there was still a sense of continuity, especially with the same Moneypenny, Q and M. Its only with the younger Dalton that it can't rewlly be reconciled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 The backstory is irrelevant. That can just be there for continuity, and you can also explain it away by saying they look for a certain type of spy to be 007. The first two Craig movies chipped away at my theory, and then Skyfall completely obliterated it. I think it would have been an awesome twist, and it would have been the best avenue into segueing into Bond being a black guy now, but that doesn’t work anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 On 9/25/2018 at 11:08 AM, Derfel Cadarn said: I disagree. The Connery films definitely had a running story with Spectre being gradually revealed. This was mostly dropped in the Moore films, but there was still a sense of continuity, especially with the same Moneypenny, Q and M. Its only with the younger Dalton that it can't rewlly be reconciled. I find it hard to fit Never Say Never Again into the same continuity with It being surrounded by Moore films before and after. I think reboots are more common these days so expect Bond will be rebooted after the Craig movies. Just like it turns out the Craig movies were a reboot, which wasn’t necessarily clear after Casino Royals, but has to be true after Spectre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Never say never again isnt part of the series, its a remake of thunderball, allowed due to a rights issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch-MaesterPhilip Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, unJon said: I find it hard to fit Never Say Never Again into the same continuity with It being surrounded by Moore films before and after. I think reboots are more common these days so expect Bond will be rebooted after the Craig movies. Just like it turns out the Craig movies were a reboot, which wasn’t necessarily clear after Casino Royals, but has to be true after Spectre. They were a weird reboot, it never made sense that Judi Dench came back as M for Casino Royale. She was new to the job in Goldeneye and she was chastising Bond who had been around forever as a dinosaur, a relic of the Cold War and a misogynist but then in Casino Royale she is the one who gives him his 00 rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 15 hours ago, Arch-MaesterPhilip said: They were a weird reboot, it never made sense that Judi Dench came back as M for Casino Royale. She was new to the job in Goldeneye and she was chastising Bond who had been around forever as a dinosaur, a relic of the Cold War and a misogynist but then in Casino Royale she is the one who gives him his 00 rating. Ha! When have the Bond films EVER made sense?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch-MaesterPhilip Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 10 hours ago, Tears of Lys said: Ha! When have the Bond films EVER made sense?? It makes less than usual I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Kilmore Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 I kind of look at the Bond Films like the Mad Max films, it is more a mythic representation of the titular character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 Robb Stark as 007? Odds now have Richard Madden as the favorite to pick up the Walther PPK after Craig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I’d be down for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Sigil Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Rhom said: Robb Stark as 007? Odds now have Richard Madden as the favorite to pick up the Walther PPK after Craig. I'm cool with this... but we're a couple of years away from filming the next Bond... a lot can happen between now and then... I'm reasonably confident that we'll hear other names before a decision is made... I still think Hiddleson would kill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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