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[Spockydog]

39 minutes ago, Ran said:

But of course, The Last Picture Show is the greatest film in the canon of The Last.... films.

 

The Last Action Hero would like a word.

 

[Larry of the Lawn]

I'm a slap truther, I think it was staged.  

[Cas Stark]

Oscar ratings were up from 10.5 last year to 13.7 million.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/oscars-tv-ratings-sunday-march-27-2022-1235120758/

I guess that will cement that it was a good idea to have so many non actors present, and to move so many categories off the live show, and even more people next year wearing Grammy/MTV fashions to the Academy Awards.  Or maybe it means that America really loves violence.  

[polishgenius]

4 hours ago, IFR said:

 

It's just a little slap? And what - it's a man's job to defend his family? That's such a retrograde attitude to have. Physical violence is not an acceptable response to a bald joke, but if Jada wanted to engage, she could have gone up herself. Will should not have taken her offense as cue to perform violence on her behalf.

And there were even worse jokes about them earlier. Regina Hall made a tasteless joke about their open marriage and Will Smith didn't get up and slap her.

That seems like it would be worse to me. If you watch the red table conversation between the Smiths, Will is seriously broken up and crying while Jada goes on like an unremorseful sociopath about how she preyed on their son's teenage friend for sexual satisfaction and opened up their marriage.

But it turns out bald jokes about her is where the line lies. No anticipating that. Roasts always inhabit that area where there's some uncertainty of if the joke has gone too far. And I'm sure a lot of feelings are hurt. Will Smith doesn't get a pass because he's defending his wife's honor or whatever machismo nonsense.

 

 

You've extrapolated a lot from 'a slap isn't that big a deal' but also... your argument is muddled. Your impassioned declaration that Will Smith was wrong because violence is not the answer to that situation (which I don't fully agree with- or, as I say, you're not wrong but it's really not that big a deal) is somewhat underlined by you then saying that the problem was that (1) Jada should have done the violence, (2) that he only did the violence to Chris Rock and not Regina Hall and (3) actually the reason he should not have done the violence is because Jada doesn't deserve defending. The third point not really meshing with your earlier one that it's outdated that men should defend women anyway.

[IFR]

4 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

 

 

You've extrapolated a lot from 'a slap isn't that big a deal' but also... your argument is muddled. Your impassioned declaration that Will Smith was wrong because violence is not the answer to that situation (which I don't fully agree with- or, as I say, you're not wrong but it's really not that big a deal) is somewhat underlined by you then saying that the problem was that (1) Jada should have done the violence, (2) that he only did the violence to Chris Rock and not Regina Hall and (3) actually the reason he should not have done the violence is because Jada doesn't deserve defending. The third point not really meshing with your earlier one that it's outdated that men should defend women anyway.

My argument isn't muddled. You are misunderstanding my argument.

My argument is that a bald joke is insufficient to provoke someone going on stage to slap the comedian who made the joke. It was wrong when Will Smith did it, and it would have been wrong if Jada Smith had done it.

However, it was egregious that Will Smith paternalistically decided that his wife was offended and so he should commit violence in retribution.

It is nonsense to argue that Chris Rock should have reasonably anticipated his joke may have crossed the line considering that Regina Hall had earlier made a joke about something that can be fairly assessed as at least as offensive, or more offensive, than Chris Rock's joke, and she endured no repercussions.

I make no judgment as to whether or not Jada deserves defending in some form; I do assert that she absolutely does not deserve defending in the way we witnessed. Will Smith's behavior was highly inappropriate and should in no way be justified or dismissed.

[Corvinus85]

1 hour ago, Zorral said:

  And yet, you rate The Last of the Mohicans, a dreadful piece of Hollywood, a very good film!   

umm, lets not compare the two. And this goes to show that people will vilify any movie/show that touches on things they care about and be perfectly fine with others, no matter how mediocre they may be.

 

[Corvinus85]

Some people are already profiting from the Smith-Rock scandal. No shame. @The Dragon Demands 

https://yt3.ggpht.com/LodUJK0pbxUZ4coaesSOKPWqYfFOKGkCrIPstB_DtFrIxqZ6q5bz4zfl51P6cgeiXLMl7d5YiUUIlWY=s640-nd-v1

 

 

 

[DMC]

I'm sticking with Scorsese with this "The Last" discussion - Last Temptation of Christ.  The Last Emperor also deserves a mention - it won Best Picture!  _{(In a very weak year.)}

[Ran]

52 minutes ago, Spockydog said:

The Last Action Hero would like a word.

 

Nope. 

 

Also, I’ve just watched the In Memoriam. Plus: I liked live testimonials for some noteworthies.

 

But everything else... oh my word, what were the producers thinking? So undignified, so attention-seeking. Horrific.

[Darryk]

I thought for sure that was staged until Will Smith started yelling at Rock, and Rock looked genuinely shocked.

I really like Will Smith and wanted him to win the Oscar but that was some psycho shit. Sure security should have escorted him out after that? I guess Hollywood celebrities aren't bound by the laws of mere mortals?

[DMC]

What I find interesting about The Slap is the support Smith is garnering - particularly from black female celebrities that have also shaved their heads.  Tiffany Haddish is unapologetically supportive, and even Ayanna Pressley - who also suffers from alopecia - originally tweeted this:

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“#Alopecia nation stand up! Thank you #WillSmith Shout out to all the husbands who defend their wives living with alopecia in the face of daily ignorance & insults”

She promptly deleted it, but still.

[Spockydog]

He sat there laughing and clapping at the joke, so spare me the solidarity with alopecia nonsense. 

[Spockydog]

And wot abot all us male pattern baldness victims? Who's slapping people to protect our honour, eh? Pffft. 

[IFR]

No love for The Last Airbender?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now there's a joke that is slap-worthy.

[Relic]

1 hour ago, Heartofice said:

Last Samurai wins.

Horrible movie

[JGP]

 

50 minutes ago, Spockydog said:

And wot abot all us male pattern baldness victims? Who's slapping people to protect our honour, eh? Pffft. 

Iterations of this joke have gotten people absolutely roasted online. I dare you to throw that out there and tag it to Black Twitter [chuckle] 

 

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@Ran

I felt little inclination to watch CODA either. The girls wanted to though, so we made some popcorn and gave it a go. It was a surprisingly moving film, even if boosted perhaps by more or less centering a segment of society I'd not given a lot of thought to. We all loved it. There's a scene between Frank and Ruby toward the end that felt like the emotional rosette of the film, quite poignant.  

And, watching led to a realization that put me back on my heels a bit, because my 14yo is at around 50% hearing loss due to scar tissue as a result of ear infections as an young child, and I'd never really walked out what it might've been like if her surgery hadn't been successful.

My 12 yo has watched it at least 5 times.   

[DMC]

1 hour ago, Spockydog said:

He sat there laughing and clapping at the joke, so spare me the solidarity with alopecia nonsense.

Well, I don't really see how this contradicts the people applauding Smith for defending his wife.  Will clearly didn't have a problem with the joke initially, but Jada rather clearly did so..that seems to align with their argument.

[AverageGuy]

No love for The Last kid movies?

The Last Unicorn

Ferngully: The Last Rainforest

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

1 hour ago, Spockydog said:

He sat there laughing and clapping at the joke, so spare me the solidarity with alopecia nonsense. 

 

5 minutes ago, DMC said:

Well, I don't really see how this contradicts the people applauding Smith for defending his wife.  Will clearly didn't have a problem with the joke initially, but Jada rather clearly did so..that seems to align with their argument.

In all fairness, he might not have known what he was laughing at. Or he did and it just took time to crystalize in his brain. And "solidarity with alopecia" is irrelevant. Solidarity with his wife is all you need to justify it (or not). Sometimes a fella steps out and it's on someone else to check 'em. Sometimes that's how these things need to resolve themselves. There is no broader meaning to be found here. 

That said, I've seen some pretty insane takes from people on social media trying to find a broader meaning. Like holy shit, people. Touch grass FFS. 

[Darryk]

By all means stand up for your wife but by clobbering someone? That's just assault, plain and simple.

I'd be surprised if Chris Rock was deliberately referring to her condition, he was probably just making fun of her hairstyle not knowing that there was a health reason behind it.