DMC Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Fez said: Perhaps. I don't know enough about the finances of it to know if having a portfolio of 10-15 senators is enough to be worthwhile to a lobbying firm when there's so many other ex-congresspeople/cabinet secretaries/etc. ready for the job as well. Well, I think the key there are the specific Senators she does have a relationship with. They are pretty crucial to passing any major legislation. So, those 10-15 Senators matter considerably more than if you just picked them out of a hat. And yeah, any centrist or third party-enthusiast group will absolutely love her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Isn't there like a block of D congresspeople who are more aligned to the likes of Machin and Sinema and just sort of pretend to be more liberal than they actually are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, ThinkerX said: Isn't there like a block of D congresspeople who are more aligned to the likes of Machin and Sinema and just sort of pretend to be more liberal than they actually are? Yeah, Coons, Tester, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, ThinkerX said: Isn't there like a block of D congresspeople who are more aligned to the likes of Machin and Sinema and just sort of pretend to be more liberal than they actually are? Yeah. A good check on this is simply looking up DW-NOMINATE scores here. Manchin and Sinema have definitely been running interference on certain issues that others are just glad they don't have to position-take on. There are of course benefits to that in terms of exposure - especially for Manchin - but also downsides - especially for Sinema. Other Senators in that boat I'd say are Tester and Coons as larry mentioned, but also Carper, Kelly, Shaheen, Bennett and Hickenlooper in Colorado, Warner in Virginia, and maybe Kaine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 30 minutes ago, DMC said: Yeah. A good check on this is simply looking up DW-NOMINATE scores here. Manchin and Sinema have definitely been running interference on certain issues that others are just glad they don't have to position-take on. There are of course benefits to that in terms of exposure - especially for Manchin - but also downsides - especially for Sinema. Other Senators in that boat I'd say are Tester and Coons as larry mentioned, but also Carper, Kelly, Shaheen, Bennett and Hickenlooper in Colorado, Warner in Virginia, and maybe Kaine too. Given the size of that block, and the opportunities to sabotage legislation they do not care for, then the realistic options for progressives become 'no change' or 'incremental change.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, ThinkerX said: Given the size of that block, and the opportunities to sabotage legislation they do not care for, then the realistic options for progressives become 'no change' or 'incremental change.' Sure. Incremental change is the best we can hope for -- and is exactly what we got in Biden's first two years. It's why he deserves a lot more credit than frankly I and many others gave him going in for being able to achieve as much as he did. Also, notice I forgot to add Angus King on that list up there. After Manchin and Sinema he's probably the most centrist/moderate Democrat (and of course isn't technically a Democrat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Just a County Commission in Oklahoma, reminiscing about the good old times of lynching Black people and discussing the hiring of a hitman to get rid of reporters: https://eu.oklahoman.com/story/news/state/2023/04/17/mccurtain-county-sheriff-commissioners-audio-lynching-hiring-hitmen/70122140007/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 On 4/17/2023 at 2:52 AM, Zorral said: And even outside the USA YAY, a whole buncha idiots fell for the fascist manipulation, including the mom of Harry Potter They wanted hate, They sponsored hate, and a whole buncha dumsters ate it with a spoon. I think Rowling's been at it (spreading hate against trans ppl) for longer than the US fascists; they probably took their cues from her and her very successful movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Mindwalker said: Just a County Commission in Oklahoma, reminiscing about the good old times of lynching Black people and discussing the hiring of a hitman to get rid of reporters: https://eu.oklahoman.com/story/news/state/2023/04/17/mccurtain-county-sheriff-commissioners-audio-lynching-hiring-hitmen/70122140007/ Wtf? Imagine being the reporter hearing those bastards say “if a hair on Chris Wilmington’s head or a hair on his wife’s head were touched”, who’d be blamed. And they’d need to get a hit man from Louisiana because “around here it’s all Mafia”? Oklahoma is all Mafia? And pretty well all the other comments, although I’m sure black humor (no pun intended) it’s used by emergency workers everywhere to cope with what they see. Still. Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Mindwalker said: Just a County Commission in Oklahoma, reminiscing about the good old times of lynching Black people and discussing the hiring of a hitman to get rid of reporters: https://eu.oklahoman.com/story/news/state/2023/04/17/mccurtain-county-sheriff-commissioners-audio-lynching-hiring-hitmen/70122140007/ The shitbag sherrif has responded. He’s very upset… that someone recorded their racist speech: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: The shitbag sherrif has responded. He’s very upset… that someone recorded their racist speech: Chances are someone in that meeting was as disturbed by the official's attitudes and decided to out them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 So neglect becomes our ally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Mindwalker said: Just a County Commission in Oklahoma, reminiscing about the good old times of lynching Black people and discussing the hiring of a hitman to get rid of reporters: https://eu.oklahoman.com/story/news/state/2023/04/17/mccurtain-county-sheriff-commissioners-audio-lynching-hiring-hitmen/70122140007/ That shyte ain't changed, as we've been saying for decades. So let's kill Trans people instead since the meanies are agin' us lynching Black people -- USA YAY! Anyway, fake noose, not precise and altered -- and a criminal act! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 ...okay then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Again, So Much Winning! USA YAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 What a bunch of backward tossers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 thos makes me feel nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 What is the impetus for turning back the clock on child labour? Just part of the whole ‘the 18th Century was the Best!’ kick, or is there an actual argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Lower wage bills for big corporations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: thos makes me feel nice Only the best people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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