HexMachina Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Good memory, that's the one my mother would be proud, her constant Bond weekends as I was growing up seem to have paid off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 This movie didn't generally click with me. It was all right but that's all. I can pretty much see why critics liked it less than Skyfall and about the same as Quantum of Solace, and that the movie will end with a boxoffice gross somewhere between Quantum and Skyfall.Peppering a movie with homages to past Bond films is all well and good, but it doesn't necessarily make for a good movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Is this a Bond film that needs to be seen on the big screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarGalley Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Is this a Bond film that needs to be seen on the big screen?I didn't think so. It didn't have the cinematography (the laser projection scene, landscape shots of Skyfall, house burning down in the dark) that Skyfall had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Is this a Bond film that needs to be seen on the big screen?No. And that's the perspective of someone who really enjoyed it I think only the Mexico City sequence benefits from the big screen, because it really was pretty stunning/beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordofmorning Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Is this a Bond film that needs to be seen on the big screen?Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I saw it on IMAX and have to say it really disappointed me visually. I'm not sure why it seemed more noticeable than usual, but there was an enormous amount of blur. Even during the final credits it was like you could see the damn things jumping up every frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I don't understand why everyone is talking so much crap about this movie, I thought it was easily the best of Craig's Bond movies.Yeah, we didn't see a lot of Christoph Waltz, but the scenes he was in were awesome. I'd take those over watching people play poker for an hour.Hidden Content Batista was a classic henchman, they're not required to have that much to talk about. He had more dialogue than Oddjob.The only things that weren't that great were the B-plot with Q and M and all those guys as well as the fact that they jumped from location to location a bit too much.Bond movies aren't some great masterpieces, they're just stupid clichéed spy-movies, everyone of them, so I don't see how you could be disappointed by what feels like just that when you're watching it.Edit: I don't really get how quoting works with this new forum.Sorry, but there was a lot wrong with it. Examples are:The whole "walk into the bad guys lair, no plan, be captured, escape". Worked in the 80's, not so much now.Blofeld's daddie issues were terrible. Waltz was cool in the initial scenes where he was half seen, but later on it was just excruciating. You never really felt this was a guy who seriously had formed an organisation like SPECTRE is meant to be.The entire ending fights were just silly. Blofeld doing all that to make Bond hurt. It was so out of character (original character) and stupid.Many of the scenes just didn't have a huge amount of tension. The fight on the helicopter in Mexico, the car chase in Rome with virtually no traffic. Action movies now days are far more realistic, and this just didn't feel that. It felt a step back from the last three movies.On that - what was it about the director/producer and helicopters?So the girl falls in love with Bond after what, 3-5 days together?On that - it shows Bond see the camera in her father's house. But heh, let's leave the footage for the bad guys to find. And as if they knew where Mr White was and hadn't targeted him. Given the events of CR/QoS he'd be right up there on their priorities to capture/kill.The whole "distrust" Bond slash doubt his competency has recently been done to death. It's come up in every single one of Craig's movies, plus Die Another Day. So the last five.It just felt like there were too many silly things. Still was entertained, but left with a bad taste in the mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettG Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I liked the movie overall, in that it was a return to an over-the-top, Thunderball-style globe-trotting adventure, which has been the one element really missing from the Craig films, but the story suffered as a result, so it's a bit of a mixed bag. The Bond/Madeleine relationship felt very rushed, and since it seems like this relationship is going to be important to the next film, that could potentially be a major problem. I liked Madeleine as a character, I thought Lea Seydoux was great, and I buy that Bond would fall for her and be willing to walk away from MI6 with her, but it all just came about so fast and in a fairly cliched way, so it just...didn't really work.I also thought the action sequences were largely underwhelming. The pre-credits sequence and the train fight are the two standout set pieces that will both go down as classics in the Bond canon, but everything else fell flat. The car chase never really had any tension, and was instead played mostly for laughs, the plane chase was somewhat better but still felt stagey, Bond's escape from Blofeld's lair felt like a video game, and even the end was anticlimactic. Bond shooting down a helicopter with a handgun was silly, although I did like the demolition of the old MI6, I thought that worked on a number of thematic levels.The humor being added was a bit of a mixed bag for me too. I don't mind that this was a more lighthearted film, I think it was needed after how serious the last three have been, but certain lines or moments just felt forced. The car chase turning into a Moore-style joke-fest was a disappointing return to the worst version of the series, and some of Bond's lines were terrible. The "throw that in the toilet" comment about the vegetable shake or whatever it was was particularly bad, and I don't think Craig delivered it very well either (not that there's really any good way to deliver it, to be fair). The homages to the previous films were neat, but I'm getting kind of sick of them at this point...3 of the last 5 films have been stuffed to the gills with call backs and it's starting to feel like they're spending more time working these in than they are actually making a compelling film.I actually liked it though, like I said at the top. I thought the cast was terrific, I don't think there was a single weak link to be found, I liked how they handled giving M, Q, and Moneypenny an expanded role, Hinx was a fantastic henchmen, and I loved Christoph Waltz as Blofeld. I didn't find him underused, and his connections with Bond and the past films worked for me. There are some gaps to be found, sure, but I think most are pretty easily explained. I also loved the Blofeld reveal, it was perfectly underplayed, and him having the You Only Live Twice scar was a brilliant touch. I'm really looking forward to seeing more of him in the next film.It's still early, but for a preliminary placement against all the other Bonds, I'd say it's probably low top 10/maybe 11 or 12. In the company of You Only Live Twice, Octopussy, and The World is Not Enough, movies that are possessed of certain story problems that prevent them from being called great, but still fun and entertaining enough that what story issues there are can be set aside fairly easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Sorry, but there was a lot wrong with it. Examples are:Hidden ContentIt just felt like there were too many silly things. Still was entertained, but left with a bad taste in the mouth.It was also largely forgettable. It's been a while since I have seen it and I can honestly say that the only one who left any sort of impression was Dave Bautista. He's pretty much the only thing I would like to return in future films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Spectre - where a 2-time Oscar winner gets overshadowed by a pro wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettG Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I can honestly say that the only one who left any sort of impression was Dave Bautista. He's pretty much the only thing I would like to return in future films. I've seen this idea a lot in various Bond message boards/podcasts/conversations, and I have to disagree. Every time it's brought up I just have horrible flashbacks to Jaws coming back in Moonraker and how much of a disaster that was. While I really enjoyed the character, I think him coming back would be verging on "too much of a good thing" territory. Better for him to be really cool in one movie than oversaturated over the course of two. Especially if Blofeld and Madeleine both come back too, it'll feel way too much like the same movie. I'd prefer them to come up with some new ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted April 10, 2016 Author Share Posted April 10, 2016 I'm ashamed to say I just finally saw this tonight. I understand the concerns of others in this thread, but I really liked it. I do wonder where they go from here with the character. These four movies seem like they tell one complete story. I even waited for the end of the credits just to be certain it still said "James Bond Will Return." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarGalley Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 17 hours ago, Rhom said: I'm ashamed to say I just finally saw this tonight. I understand the concerns of others in this thread, but I really liked it. I do wonder where they go from here with the character. These four movies seem like they tell one complete story. I even waited for the end of the credits just to be certain it still said "James Bond Will Return." It doesn't actually say that though does it? The franchise will live on.. but that movie had the most "Bond has permanently gone into retirement" type ending of any Bond movie. It would be weird to see Craig come back.. especially since he comes back from retirement in Skyfall already. I feel like this form of the franchise is effectively over (even if they do maintain the darker, more serious tone going forward). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Anything can happen, but I seem to recall Craig was pretty clear about being done as Bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 I think my main issue with Spectre was that it was a film that needed to come two or three films later...the first three reinvented Bond and essentially got them to Dr. No...then they jumped right to the end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarGalley Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 I don't know.. Spectre was the most disappointing movie of the year for me. Skyfall was beautiful, Silva played by Bardem was awesome but I never got the impression that the franchise was approaching crescendo. The plot tricks and gimmicks were too obvious in Skyfall and I felt like the writers and direction for Spectre decided to double down in that area. How was Silva or Greene or anyone else tied to Blofeld other than a "I told you so" moment? Who did Blofeld kill other than some random henchman in his organization or Mr. White? I never felt as threatened by him compared to the original Bond films where he's feeding far more calculating lieutenants to sharks at a whim. And the torture scene irritated me. Bond suddenly turned into Man of Steel Superman -- defying brain surgery in the name of love. Ack. They started out redefining the Bond franchise and in this movie moved to the direction and culture that created Die another Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedGhost Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 What the believability rating of The Daily Mail? Quote Craig is the highest-paid actor to play the role, netting a reported total of £38million for the four films he has appeared in. He has played Bond since 2005 and helped bank well over £2billion in box office revenue, helping ease MGM’s bankruptcy issues. Insiders said Craig turned down a £68million offer from MGM studio to return as Bond for two more films following last year’s hit Spectre. The sum included endorsements, profit shares, and a role for him working as a co-producer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Sigil Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 My problem with the Bond franchise is that it just gets too damn silly.... Casino Royale was great.... and almost everyone I've ever met thinks so.... but then the writing keeps getting more and more impossibly, implausibly silly.... Hiddlesson (sp?) would be a smart choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch-MaesterPhilip Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 41 minutes ago, Martini Sigil said: My problem with the Bond franchise is that it just gets too damn silly.... Casino Royale was great.... and almost everyone I've ever met thinks so.... but then the writing keeps getting more and more impossibly, implausibly silly.... Hiddlesson (sp?) would be a smart choice I think Hiddleston could inject the right amount of humor but still be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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