Suzanna Stormborn Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Maithanet said: Last night, rather than watch the Oscars, we watched The Shape of Water. That movie is boring, predictable and utterly forgettable. I really don't know what the Academy was thinking. Idk, I'll never forget the 'I wash my hands before I pee' scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 50 minutes ago, Ran said: You're quoting Doc's brother, not Tony's. Contra that, there are recordings of Doc Shirley talking about how he and Tony became friends thanks to their experience together. The apparent issue is that the family has a beef that they didn't get involved, but in the process they are over-stating how close he was to his family. As has been noted elsewhere, Doc left his entire estate to friends rather than to family. Ooops, you are right. That happens when you read something on a secondary source (which at least gave the primary source), and then just copy and paste from the primary without reading it, but just hit search and copy and paste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Maithanet said: Last night, rather than watch the Oscars, we watched The Shape of Water. That movie is boring, predictable and utterly forgettable. I really don't know what the Academy was thinking. Well, it was thinking several things: Beautiful production design, skillful cinematography, a number of winsome performances, deeply worshipful of classic Hollywood, and an allegorical message that most anyone could embrace. Del Toro being well-liked in Hollywood doesn't hurt. It wasn't my pick for best picture, but it feels much like Green Book in that it was probably highly-ranked if not necessarily the one with the most #1 votes, and the preferential ballot allowed it to win. With the added benefit of having a greater overall quality, re: production design, cinematography -- compared to Green Book, it just doesn't strike me at all as an inexplicable choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, Maithanet said: Last night, rather than watch the Oscars, we watched The Shape of Water. That movie is boring, predictable and utterly forgettable. I really don't know what the Academy was thinking. I think it didn't even last much at the cinemas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 So I was just listening to the soundtrack winner, Blackpanther, and I don't like it, too repetitive. Maybe it's original, and well-done, but maybe this year the level of the original scores was not as good? I can still go to Life of Pi's one to relax and it was not many years ago precisely.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Risto said: .... McConaughey, But, Matthew did incredible transformation for Dallas Buyers Club and I fully understand why Academy... What do people think he deserves for his Lincoln ads? Something, right? Because even though the ads are a pisser, they also make me laugh, and I absolutely buy his performance as a guy with a fetish for the vehicle and I fully expect we'll see him arrested in the next couple years for having sex with his car in public on a busy street. That's how believable those spots are. When Jim Carrey spoofed him on SNL I thought there should have been a golden globe awarded for that. So McConaughey, as the original, definitely deserves some kind of recognition. And Oscar already has some obscure to the Nth categories just to make sure a particular project gets recognized that year, so why not a "best human/object romance" award! Spin it as an LGTB thing and it'll be a shoe in. Also, are there do-overs for best picture, like there are in 5th grade sports during recess? If so, I demand a do-over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Conflicting Thought said: Wouldn't it be the other way around? If 2018 was such a bad years for movies (and i dont know if i agree with that), then really different, unique movies would be easier to remember. I was more referencing just not being as engaged as I otherwise would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I didn't watch or pay attention, but so what? Media banged relentlessly about it for weeks and all day today. I did listen to Spike's speech though, this morning, and thought it was splendid. He stated so much, so accurately in such a concise manner and a moving manner, about the 400 years of racial injustice in this nation. I admired it from the bottom of my heart. O ya, I did see his BlacKkKlansman, in company, with 4 other people, in a THEATER, and we discussed it together via e-mail for over a week, and then were joined in the discussion by another friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I'm yet to see Green Book, but it sounds like a movie that tells a story about how a black man woke a white man told in the white man's voice. Almost seems like a story that could get a Flags of our Fathers / Letters from Iwo Jima treatment. Tell the same story in 2 different voices, and with artistic licence taken from those perspectives. So in some respects we've only got half of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I can say that since I am not a film snob or much into the artistry of it all I can see why so many think it was a down year for best picture choices. It's the first year I can remember where I have seen at least half of them and plan to see more. Yes I am insulting myself and saying I like more mainstream / popular movies. I saw Bohemian Rhapsody,Black Panther, BlacKKKlansman, and A Star is Born. I plan to see Green Book and Vice. Of the ones nominated that I saw Bohemian Rhapsody was my favorite. Watching the Oscars it seemed like this movie had most of what they give awards out for. It had drama, a great acting performance, period accurate hair/make up and costumes, humorous points, racism/predjudice, obviously great music and a tragic ending. The rest of my list would be A Star is Born tied with BlacKKKlansman, and last Black Panther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 3 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: I'm yet to see Green Book, but it sounds like a movie that tells a story about how a black man woke a white man told in the white man's voice. Almost seems like a story that could get a Flags of our Fathers / Letters from Iwo Jima treatment. Tell the same story in 2 different voices, and with artistic licence taken from those perspectives. So in some respects we've only got half of the movie. Yeah I hadn't really heard this critique of the movie until recently, that it is a movie about racism for white people. Is there a problem with that? It's a movie that tries to hold a mirror up to peoples ignorant beliefs , makes them challenge them and doesn't try and do it in a divisive way. It's also written in a very mainstream, upbeat manner, and is a crowd pleaser. If it helps to get a message across better and change a few minds than what is the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Heartofice said: Yeah I hadn't really heard this critique of the movie until recently, that it is a movie about racism for white people. Is there a problem with that? It's a movie that tries to hold a mirror up to peoples ignorant beliefs , makes them challenge them and doesn't try and do it in a divisive way. It's also written in a very mainstream, upbeat manner, and is a crowd pleaser. If it helps to get a message across better and change a few minds than what is the issue? These films usually skew more towards making white people feel better about racism than directly addressing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Jace, Basilissa said: These films usually skew more towards making white people feel better about racism than directly addressing it. Yes they probably do. But then its debatable that movies that go in the other direction, and make people feel guilty or bad have any real affect at all, or that anyone really wants to watch them. I'd suggest if you package the message up in a way that doesn't turn people off it might have a better effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Heartofice said: Yes they probably do. But then its debatable that movies that go in the other direction, and make people feel guilty or bad have any real affect at all, or that anyone really wants to watch them. I'd suggest if you package the message up in a way that doesn't turn people off it might have a better effect. Sure. It's called Django Unchained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 As someone said, it's Driving Miss Daisy all over again. Green Book really shows what the real problem in Academy is. It's not that they are not aware of racism, it's just that they seem to be missing some very important points. And it is not just about Academy. It's the issue with entire movie industry. 1 hour ago, dbunting said: Of the ones nominated that I saw Bohemian Rhapsody was my favorite. Watching the Oscars it seemed like this movie had most of what they give awards out for. It had drama, a great acting performance, period accurate hair/make up and costumes, humorous points, racism/predjudice, obviously great music and a tragic ending. No, just no. I am sorry, but that movie would be even more tragic winner than Green Book. It's the worst type of gay shaming, The movie stenches of revisionism and it's tragedy that one of the greatest artists of 20th century got such a movie. The movie was about Freddie's stage personna, not Freddie Mercury. 8 hours ago, Zorral said: I did listen to Spike's speech though, this morning, and thought it was splendid. He stated so much, so accurately in such a concise manner and a moving manner, about the 400 years of racial injustice in this nation. I admired it from the bottom of my heart. I totally agree. They say you should not live in the past, but we HAVE TO be aware of it. And we have too much of revisionism, too much of "let's move on", too much of egoism in thinking nothing existed before us. I spoke about this when feminism in TV was a topic. It seems like modern Hollywood feminists don't even try to acknowledge those before them. The racism seems to deal with similar, although slightly different issue. We play Pontius Pilate and wash our hands of crimes our (white) ancestors have done. And we, as public, seem to be unaware of what Spike Lee said: "400 years of racial injustice". We moved from segregation to what Chris Rock called "sorority racism". And that is why we need movies made by people like Spike Lee. Because it does teach us a valuable lesson and shows us that as entire society we still have a lot of issues to work on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 17 hours ago, Risto said: No, just no. I am sorry, but that movie would be even more tragic winner than Green Book. It's the worst type of gay shaming, The movie stenches of revisionism and it's tragedy that one of the greatest artists of 20th century got such a movie. The movie was about Freddie's stage personna, not Freddie Mercury. Yes, just yes... I didn't say it was the best movie or should win best picture, I said it was the one I liked the most, that isn't something that can be argued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 4:22 PM, Conflicting Thought said: Wouldn't it be the other way around? If 2018 was such a bad years for movies (and i dont know if i agree with that), then really different, unique movies would be easier to remember. There's really no such thing as a bad year for movies. When people say that, they mean "bad year for Hollywood mainstream movies or blockbusters". There are great films coming out all the time, it's just that people choose to see Transformers or Tyler Perry stuff instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share Posted February 28, 2019 This one needs to be watched... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_RTnuJvg6U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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