US Politics: Hell Yes THEY Were Trying to Overthrow the Government

[Kalbear]

16 minutes ago, Tears of Lys said:

It's beyond obvious that the Republican party is in shambles.

EHK is probably dancing jigs in his grave.  Wasn't his tagline, "The Republican Party should be destroyed"? 

Yes, the Republican party which has a supermajority in scotus, repealed Roe, controls the House and is currently neck and neck with Biden despite him presiding over the strongest economy in 50 years...is in shambles.

[Tears of Lys]

1 hour ago, Kalnak the Magnificent said:

Yes, the Republican party which has a supermajority in scotus, repealed Roe, controls the House and is currently neck and neck with Biden despite him presiding over the strongest economy in 50 years...is in shambles.

Don't be such a Debbie Downer.  To quote Yogi Berra:  It ain't over til it's over.

 

[Zorral]

And this mob didn't even have gunz! Or a gallows! Or pipe bombs!  So why isn't inciter in chief defendant not charged with inciting a riot?

Influencer Kai Cenat charged with inciting a riot after chaotic crowd stormed Union Square

https://gothamist.com/news/influencer-kai-cenat-charged-with-inciting-a-riot-after-chaotic-crowd-stormed-union-square

 

[Kalbear]

15 hours ago, Tears of Lys said:

Don't be such a Debbie Downer.  To quote Yogi Berra:  It ain't over til it's over.

 

Not saying it's over, but the idea that things are going well or that EHK is seeing the current state of affairs and is somehow happy about it is...uh...an overly optimistic point of view.

It is certainly possible that the US can recover from this. There are some nice trends and some decent points especially in the short term. At the same time, the US has never, ever been closer to a systemic failure of its democracy than it is now. Even the civil war did not jeopardize that to the same degree. And democracies are not things that historically always last. 

[Tywin et al.]

32 minutes ago, Kalnak the Magnificent said:

It is certainly possible that the US can recover from this. There are some nice trends and some decent points especially in the short term. At the same time, the US has never, ever been closer to a systemic failure of its democracy than it is now. Even the civil war did not jeopardize that to the same degree. And democracies are not things that historically always last. 

It's not over, but it is wrecked and permanently damaged in a way that we won't recover from anytime soon. There's zero evidence that conservatives are interested in having their come to Jesus moment. Most of them just want to burn it all down while claiming they're actually trying to save everything. You can't work with people who think like that. 

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

John Eastman’s lawyer being asked some… very… uncomfortable questions…

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Ser Scot A Ellison

[Martell Spy]

DeSantis replaces 2024 campaign manager in another shakeup

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/08/politics/desantis-campaign-manager-replacement/index.html

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is replacing campaign manager Generra Peck, ending weeks of speculation about her future leading his struggling White House bid and continuing a shakeup of his 2024 presidential campaign that has lasted for a month.

In her place, DeSantis will install James Uthmeier, the chief of staff for his gubernatorial office, a trusted adviser known in Florida as a ruthless enforcer of DeSantis’ agenda and devoted protector of the Republican’s political brand.

 

 

[Week]

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devoted protector of the Republican’s political brand.

Professional liar and turd shiner?

[Tywin et al.]

1 hour ago, Martell Spy said:

DeSantis replaces 2024 campaign manager in another shakeup

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/08/politics/desantis-campaign-manager-replacement/index.html

 

Just speed things up and replace him with his wife as the candidate. Everything I've read suggests she always been the influencer behind all his policies and she's far more personable albeit even more insane. 

[Week]

2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Just speed things up and replace him with his wife as the candidate. Everything I've read suggests she always been the influencer behind all his policies and she's far more personable albeit even more insane. 

It's a pretty low bar to be more personable than this:

His human lessons haven't been going well. Nor are they going well for her either.

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Week

[Maithanet]

Big referendum in Ohio tonight will determine if Ohio voters want to increase the threshold for future referendums from 50 to 60 percent.  This is supported by Republicans because they are afraid of popular democratic initiatives like abortion legalization.  So we'll see if the people of Ohio want to give away power to the legislature.  That isn't usually very popular, and I expect it to fail, but who knows with Ohio voters these days.

[Maithanet]

Ohioans vote to keep thier rights!  Looks likely (but by no means certain) that Ohio will be able to codify abortion rights statewide via referendum.  

[ThinkerX]

Glimmers of good news:

First in Ohio:

GOP attempt to stymie abortion in Ohio backfires spectacularly (msn.com)

 

Then in Oregon:

Oregon lawmakers who walked out in 2023 banned from reelection (statesmanjournal.com)

 

On the not so good front Florida schools are now banning Shakespeare:

 A Florida school district is cutting the classics from its curricula as DeSantis administration makes some passages of Shakespeare a no-go (msn.com)

 

Which ties in with this:

People Are Leaving Florida Universities Because They Feel Unwanted - The State is "Toxic" (msn.com)

Far right types in the comments sections of the last two articles are rabid supporters of this.

 

[IheartIheartTesla]

I have no idea what the Ohio ballot measure means for the 2024 general, since the modest polling before had it losing (even though there were many undecideds, usually they are believed to break for the status quo). But regardless, good on Ohio.

The 2024 general is far more concerning. It was a bit mind boggling to see DeSantis flailing and essentially swatted aside by Trump before the debates even began. Crossing fingers the economy stays relatively stable till then.

[Maithanet]

2 hours ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

I have no idea what the Ohio ballot measure means for the 2024 general, since the modest polling before had it losing (even though there were many undecideds, usually they are believed to break for the status quo). But regardless, good on Ohio.

Virtually all of the 2023 special elections (and I would include this) have had good results for Democrats compared to the baseline of 2020 results.  The Wisconsin Supreme Court being the biggest, but there have been others, and the picture is relatively consistent.  We'll see how the Virginia legislative election go in November for more information. 

 

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The 2024 general is far more concerning. It was a bit mind boggling to see DeSantis flailing and essentially swatted aside by Trump before the debates even began.

It certainly is concerning.  At the moment Trump is not just leading, but defining the Republican party.  Even if you have been a stalward Republican for decades, if Trump feels you crossed him, you're a RINO and you run a real risk of being primaried.  There are a few guys who have survived that (GA AG Raffensburger most notably) but plenty of others who didn't. 

In that kind of environment, it is basically impossible to run a primary against Trump.  All the candidates are afraid that attacking him head on and making him look bad will just make his sizable fan club very angry.  Desantis and co are learning that running in an election where you are afraid to go after the frontrunner is basically impossible.  Desantis ran his campaign initially as if he were the frontrunner (mostly ignoring Trump and attacking Biden and various culture wars issues), but Trump always seizes the spotlight and he has to respond (which he does very feebly).  It is a recipe for disaster.  Plus, at least on the national stage, Desantis has been a horrible candidate.

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Crossing fingers the economy stays relatively stable till then.

The economy looks to be headed in the right direction.  Gas prices are going back up because of the Ukraine war, but other than that plenty of key measures like wage growth and unemployment look very promising.  All we can do is hope that continues. 

Edited August 9, 2023 by Maithanet

[Tywin et al.]

Feinstein had to be hospitalized after a fall. I wish her well, but she must resign at this point.

[Fez]

14 minutes ago, Maithanet said:

In that kind of environment, it is basically impossible to run a primary against Trump.  All the candidates are afraid that attacking him head on and making him look bad will just make his sizable fan club very angry.  Desantis and co are learning that running in an election where you are afraid to go after the frontrunner is basically impossible.  Desantis ran his campaign initially as if he were the frontrunner (mostly ignoring Trump and attacking Biden and various culture wars issues), but Trump always seizes the spotlight and he has to respond (which he does very feebly).  It is a recipe for disaster.  Plus, at least on the national stage, Desantis has been a horrible candidate.

DeSantis has run a disaster of a campaign. He tried running to Trump's right. But Trump's supporters don't care about most of those issues (like cutting social security). Or, if they do care (like hating LGBT+ people), they prefer Trump's style and approach on them. And meanwhile, going so far right has soured DeSantis among all his supporters/donors who wanted a candidate that would focusing on cutting taxes, gutting what little is left of the regulatory state, and outlawing abortion and otherwise staying quiet.

I think DeSantis plan of pretending to be the frontrunner could've worked. But he needed to be much smarter about what positions he took, not have terminally online staff getting him sucked into dumb controversies, and be way more charismatic. No guarantees, but seems like roughly 60% of Republicans are at least theoretically open to voting for someone besides Trump. But right now a bunch of them are planning on voting for Trump anyway and the rest are spread way too thinly.

[Spockydog]

Jesus was weak? 

 

[Jaxom 1974]

3 hours ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

I have no idea what the Ohio ballot measure means for the 2024 general, since the modest polling before had it losing (even though there were many undecideds, usually they are believed to break for the status quo). But regardless, good on Ohio.

 

My SiL admitted to knowing very little about the initiative in general. When my wife pointed out the tactic of making it seem reasonable to the less informed, and barring that, make it too confusing to hopefully keep people away from the poll. Based on that conversation, that tactic worked on my SiL...

Thank goodness enough people are more savvy than that in Ohio.

[Tywin et al.]

14 minutes ago, Spockydog said:

Jesus was weak? 

 

Everyone knows Jesus shot people he didn't like with machine guns. Anyways, time to post it again: