Lyanna Stark Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Finally got to watch it yay! The over-the-top-ness of the noir and grimness seemed self-conscious. They really laid it on with a trowel. I'll keep watching. Totally this. It seemed very self-conscious to me, especially the bar scene with that woman singing the song (I mean seriously misery laid on with a spade, it made me giggle snort) about how it was her worst sort of life, etc. and it was just so over the top self-referential. Overall, I expected to be disappointed but wasn't really. I'm kinda expecting them to twist the stereotypes around, since there were the miserable cops (typical noir stuff). post-divorce trauma and the woo woo yoga dude spouting platitudes, the tough cop boss, corrupted politicians and corrupt developers with a nice industrial backdrop, too. Also, the title song reminded me of Leonard Cohen so I was inclined to like that bit from the start. (OMG it is Leonard Cohen? Awesomesauce.) Not as much magic voodoo mystery as in season 1, but definitely true to the noir roots and I agree too that the dead dude's flat was really creepy with the whole sex dungeon theme and the sodding skeleton with a crown. I mean seriously, a skellie bones with a crown and lots of like devil worship books and sex toy paperweight? It might not be voodoo magic, but that seems like a sure sign of Mystery to Come to me at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 The first episode was 6/10 for me. By far the best aspect was the cinematography and editing, which I thought was brilliant. The cast did a fine job, but it wasn't exactly very challenging material they had to work with this episode. The dialogue was mainly shit ("Never do anything out of hunger. Not even eating."). It also felt like how they oversold the brokenness and fragility of every single characters; when Collin Farrell threatened to ass-rape that bully's dad it turned into Californication-level of silliness. Also a very strange choice of song for the intro. Leonard Cohen is one of my all-time favourite musicians, but there are several dozens of songs of his that would've better suited the mood and tone they are trying to create ("Avalanche" from his third album comes to mind). But I'll obviously continue watching. Hopefully the plot gets interesting, and the characters get more layers rather than just "sad and lost". I thought the first season was a masterpiece (I also loved the ending, unlike a lot of people), so I have high hopes it will improve. I assume there will be a creepy-ass cult this time around too, and I'm always a sucker for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Olenna Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I read that as a death wish. He wanted to kill himself, which is why he turned out the lights, but then his resolve failed and he turned his lights back on. Overall I enjoyed this, maybe because I like that they used LA in some way that's different from the usual palm trees and Hollywood shit. Going into the vast soul-deadening wastelands that make up about 95% of the city's geography. Vinci is a fun stand-in for the thousand shitty little cities that people are actually from when they say "I'm from LA." The apartment Ray went into to beat the journalist reminded me of the apartment I had in LA in 2004-05. For all the shit people talked about Colin Farrell as an actor, I thought he gave the strongest performance last night. He totally had me convinced in the existence and general despairing awfulness of Ray Velcoro. Whether or not the character is too broadly written -- well, maybe that's a genre thing. The over-the-top-ness of the noir and grimness seemed self-conscious. They really laid it on with a trowel. I'll keep watching.I think anyone that has lived in LA for any amount of time has lived in an apartment like that. Complete with dumpster junkie. I think your description of Los Angeles may very well be the best I've heard yet. Can you tell I'm really fucking ready to move? Yeah, I feel like they nailed the LA area pretty well. Vinci is supposed to be a stand-in for City of Commerce/Bell, I think. Commerce has the casino, Bell had that ridiculous city corruption scandal a couple years ago that this is clearly based on. The high speed rail is a direct reference to the bullet train to nowhere. I thought the casino shot was Hawaiian Gardens? But yah, it could definitely be based on the Bell corruption. I am wondering if the opening shot of the stick things in the ground with the red tops has to do with all the refinery shots they keep doing? Pretty sure Velcoro and his partner reported Caspere missing earlier in the episode, maybe why he got sent out and had first dibs on the crime scene?Yea that was fucking weird I don't know you googled to find that link but I started to search for it and was like nope, can't even describe what the hell that was :lol: Tripped me out. Wtf is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 [MOD] On this site we have higher standards than YouTube comments. Therefore, I have been deleting posts that are either personal attacks or one-line comments without content. If you're going to post, make sure you have something useful to say. [/MOD] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay B. Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Yea that was fucking weird Jeez, I thought it was just a doll at first but that definitely looks like a mini-lady in there. Wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 EDIT: For anyone interested in the name of he hippie paradise, here is the wikipedia article for it. EDIT: Is anyone here proficient in Latin? The hippie colonies motto is apperently "irae autem tacere, in die novissimo" but the closest I got to a translation was "of wrath, however, to be silent, for the future"I am wondering if the opening shot of the stick things in the ground with the red tops has to do with all the refinery shots they keep doing?I can be wrong about this but I interpreted them as survey sticks. Probably related to the trajectory of the new high-speed railway Vince Vaughn is trying to get his hands on. I don't know wtf you googled to find that link but I started to search for it and was like nope, can't even describe what the hell that was. Tripped me out. Wtf is it?Probably naked chick in a bowl of milk :P I think it's just a weird piece of pin-up artwork without really much significance. Sadly, I haven't found any references to it online. EDIT: Or actually, I have found a lot of references to it online, but no one has actually bothered to specify what kind of object it really is. It's definitely some sort of projection/illusion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Probably naked chick in a bowl of milk :P I think it's just a weird piece of pin-up artwork without really much significance. Sadly, I haven't found any references to it online. EDIT: Or actually, I have found a lot of references to it online, but no one has actually bothered to specify what kind of object it really is. It's definitely some sort of projection/illusion though. I interpreted it to be some kind of digital art -- basically a glass bowl with that creepy gif running eternally on its screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I interpreted it to be some kind of digital art -- basically a glass bowl with that creepy gif running eternally on its screen. Yep, that's it. I do feel like losing faith in the internet. I mean not one "that creepy girl in a bowl of milk was actually a piece of non-creepy digital art by X" article out there at the moment :( The episode has been out for almost a day now :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astromech Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Probably naked chick in a bowl of milk :P I think it's just a weird piece of pin-up artwork without really much significance. Sadly, I haven't found any references to it online. EDIT: Or actually, I have found a lot of references to it online, but no one has actually bothered to specify what kind of object it really is. It's definitely some sort of projection/illusion though. It is a piece of art by Peter Sarkisian entitled, White Water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sarkisian This article discusses or laughs at some of the pieces in Casper's home: http://artfcity.com/2015/06/22/whats-with-all-the-creepy-art-on-true-detective/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 It is a piece of art by Peter Sarkisian entitled, White Water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sarkisian This article discusses or laughs at some of the pieces in Casper's home: http://artfcity.com/2015/06/22/whats-with-all-the-creepy-art-on-true-detective/ Oh, internet how could I ever be so foolish as to doubt you :D Thanks for looking this up :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elder Sister Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 The artwork in that house was so insane - I needed to spend a hot minute investigating it. When I re-watch, I'm going to have to pause and look at some of it. So, so, bizarre. I felt the same way about the cult - I didn't get to see enough of that. I'm hoping that we revisit that in another episode. Am also wondering how Colin F.'s character is going to get away with beating the crap out of the bully's dad. Aren't there going to be some consequences as a result of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Am also wondering how Colin F.'s character is going to get away with beating the crap out of the bully's dad. Aren't there going to be some consequences as a result of that? I hope so. That's the very definition of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 The artwork in that house was so insane - I needed to spend a hot minute investigating it. When I re-watch, I'm going to have to pause and look at some of it. So, so, bizarre. It was more than a bit tacky imo :p I felt the same way about the cult - I didn't get to see enough of that. I'm hoping that we revisit that in another episode. That father is definitely coming into play again. I mean, he's a cultist, a missing woman was last seen on his estate, there are references to Greek Mythology and Rachel McAdams has a bone to pick with him. We'll see more of it I'm sure. Am also wondering how Colin F.'s character is going to get away with beating the crap out of the bully's dad. Aren't there going to be some consequences as a result of that? I imagine some officer saying something along the lines of: "A complaint about Velcro? Well, those never stick." :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I really liked the titles/music. I liked the obsession with overhead shots of traffic.The performances were all strong. I was a bit surprised to see webcam porn as up until then I'd assumed it was set in the 70s.I couldn't help but think Donforio in Daredevil was actually far better than I imagined whenever Vince Vaughn was on screen.All the main cops seem pretty fucked up which could be a bit grating if they are all Cohle style sad-sacks without any voice of levity among them. I'll be watching the next ep but it was lacking the oomph that the pilot episode had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Thought it was a pretty entertaining and interesting first episode. I really enjoyed the initial portrayal of the LA backdrop. It reminded me of Burbank a great deal. As far as the actors/actresses go, Vaugh, McAdams and Farrell were great. Hope to see more of Kelly Reilly this season. Been a fan since I saw her in Calvary. Also excited to see more James Frain in the show. He's a favorite of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guess who's back Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Surprised by the negativity in here. Sure it's not the same without Rust, but the first season also had a slow start. Hard to judge until we have seen at least 3 episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer 24 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Surprised by the negativity in here. Sure it's not the same without Rust, but the first season also had a slow start. Hard to judge until we have seen at least 3 episodes. Well the negative press scores are based on the first 3 episodes so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I have the cure for Jack's Debbie Downer attitude. Read it, you will feel less depressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I wasn't down on it, but don't understand why every "protagonist" needs to be so severely damaged. A well adjusted person with a strong moral compass and family life trying to navigate a bunch of bad people would be far more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I really liked the titles/music. I liked the obsession with overhead shots of traffic.I liked it too. Makes me think they're trying to be symbolic with blood pumping and such...I'm not entirely sure what I watched, but I'll keep at it. I stated last season that way as well. For those with comparison desires, I just approached the show as something new. It is. It just happens to share a name with a show that was on last year. They never found the gut who raped Colin Farrel's wife because Cohle Rust left him in a ditch somewhere...It's not really a switch to say this season has four points of view. Last season had four points of view. It just happened that it wad the same two characters across two different time periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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