the god on earth Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 So according to Melisandre you can use kingsblood to wake stone dragons. "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons from stone." so is this only possible for Azor Ahai? because the tragedy of summerhal seems quite a good ritual to wake dragons from stone, as king Aegon V meant to hatch them with wildfire, this backfired and killed a lot of people including Targaryens (king's blood). why didn't dragons hatch then? If they only hatch for Azor Ahai this means Dany is Azor Ahai reborn since she was able to wake dragons from stone. And if the king's blood must be a sacrifice to the red god when why did they hatch with daenerys, she wasn't into the red god at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoth the raven, Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 On 11/12/2020 at 3:17 AM, the god on earth said: So according to Melisandre you can use kingsblood to wake stone dragons. "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons from stone." so is this only possible for Azor Ahai? because the tragedy of summerhal seems quite a good ritual to wake dragons from stone, as king Aegon V meant to hatch them with wildfire, this backfired and killed a lot of people including Targaryens (king's blood). why didn't dragons hatch then? If they only hatch for Azor Ahai this means Dany is Azor Ahai reborn since she was able to wake dragons from stone. And if the king's blood must be a sacrifice to the red god when why did they hatch with daenerys, she wasn't into the red god at that point. Aegon V had way more resources compared to Dany. But Aegon V was not Azor Ahai. A male cannot conceive after all. Only a female could bring back the dragons. Mothers are the ones who create life. To use a slang, King's blood is just the baby batter. Into the fire went Drogo's baby batter with the Mother. Out comes Azor Ahai reborn and three dragons. Child of tree has another meaning. She is a child again after being reborn. She is similar to the Phoenix, which must be periodically reborn. Lighting three fires also mean being reborn each time. She becomes more and more Azor Ahai, more Targaryen with each rebirth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis-something-Rose Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I don't think the ritual backfired at Summerhall. I mean, yes, it backfired because of all the death and destruction, but in the end, I think it served the purpose it was meant to serve. Dany came out of the fire just as her brother did. In that, she parallels her mother who went into Summerhall pregnant and came out with a baby. Rhaegar is the dragon that hatched. I think the sorcery at Summerhall, coupled with what became a blood sacrifice benefited him very directly. I wrote something about how the birth of the dragons is a blueprint for other things and Summerhall is included in that. That same ritual that Dany performed is being repeated in The Forsaken chapter of TWoW and I wager we see it one more time at the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Egg is an important guy in his own right but he was not Azor Ahai. He didn't have the ability to fulfill the prophecy and "wake dragons from stone." He clearly felt the need to bring them back but the time was also not right. I like the analogy to the phoenix at the top. The Targaryens and their dragons needed to be born again. It's a renewal to be born again in order to become stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 The Targaryens have never had to do this. Aegon V was doing his best from what little knowledge could be salvaged from the Far East. Daenerys, on the other hand, was operating on ancient instinct. She was right. Aegon was not the promised Targaryen. She is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 So that's why Mushu couldn't wake the Great Stone Dragon. No Red Comet in the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Man Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 11/12/2020 at 3:17 AM, the god on earth said: So according to Melisandre you can use kingsblood to wake stone dragons. "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons from stone." so is this only possible for Azor Ahai? because the tragedy of summerhal seems quite a good ritual to wake dragons from stone, as king Aegon V meant to hatch them with wildfire, this backfired and killed a lot of people including Targaryens (king's blood). why didn't dragons hatch then? If they only hatch for Azor Ahai this means Dany is Azor Ahai reborn since she was able to wake dragons from stone. And if the king's blood must be a sacrifice to the red god when why did they hatch with daenerys, she wasn't into the red god at that point. Egg and his underlings did everything right but Dany is Azor Ahai. Egg and Rhaegar are both guilty of thinking themselves important. They were just regular guys. Dany is the person mentioned in the eastern prophecies who would bring back the dragons. The Prince Who Was Promised needed to have quite pure blood and Egg was part Dayne. Both of the parent have to be Targaryen in order to possess the magic needed to bring the dragons back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300 H&H Magnum Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 The method was very precise to the point where the orientation of the wood used for the fire was important. The eggs hatched because a-the right method was used, b-Daenerys has more magical ability, Wildfire is not natural and could have corrupted the magic for Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 20 hours ago, Son of Man said: Egg and his underlings did everything right but Dany is Azor Ahai. Egg and Rhaegar are both guilty of thinking themselves important. They were just regular guys. Dany is the person mentioned in the eastern prophecies who would bring back the dragons. The Prince Who Was Promised needed to have quite pure blood and Egg was part Dayne. Both of the parent have to be Targaryen in order to possess the magic needed to bring the dragons back. Fans have this idea that every Targaryen is endowed with extraordinary abilities. I don't believe them to be correct. Aegon had an uncanny tolerance for high temperatures but he did not have the talent to resurrect dragons. I do wonder what else the talent for resurrection can bring back besides dragons. People? That's why I really got interested after reading the theory of Aemon coming back to life. Viserys and Princess Daenerys have high immunity to communicable diseases but other Targaryens of the past have died from the fever. So it's not universal among the family to have this heightened resistance to disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skahaz mo Kandaq Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/12/2020 at 3:17 AM, the god on earth said: So according to Melisandre you can use kingsblood to wake stone dragons. "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons from stone." so is this only possible for Azor Ahai? because the tragedy of summerhal seems quite a good ritual to wake dragons from stone, as king Aegon V meant to hatch them with wildfire, this backfired and killed a lot of people including Targaryens (king's blood). why didn't dragons hatch then? If they only hatch for Azor Ahai this means Dany is Azor Ahai reborn since she was able to wake dragons from stone. And if the king's blood must be a sacrifice to the red god when why did they hatch with daenerys, she wasn't into the red god at that point. Only Azor Ahai can cause the return of the dragons. She woke dragons from stone. Remember the wording. Dragon is plural. More than one dragons will hatch. More than one dragon, three, was hatched by Dany. So Rhaegar's birth doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamiloRP Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Skahaz mo Kandaq said: Only Azor Ahai can cause the return of the dragons. She woke dragons from stone. Remember the wording. Dragon is plural. More than one dragons will hatch. More than one dragon, three, was hatched by Dany. So Rhaegar's birth doesn't count. Do you really believe that the religion that burns people alive and kills people just because they are part of other religions has it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only 89 selfies today Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 @CamiloRP The First Men were slitting people's throats to fertilize their trees. It doesn't make their prophecies wrong. Their beliefs and practices may be barbaric but it does not make them wrong on the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamiloRP Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Only 89 selfies today said: @CamiloRP The First Men were slitting people's throats to fertilize their trees. It doesn't make their prophecies wrong. Their beliefs and practices may be barbaric but it does not make them wrong on the facts. Not my point, George has written many stories against religious extremism, in all of the stories they appear, religious visions are shown to be a lie designed to manipulate people into doing awful things. He usually writes against religious extremists. That's Why I find it weird that people seem to give credence to any form of religious visions (Weirwood net included) but especially to R'hlor, likely the most disgusting, violent, horrible religion with prevalence in the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 On 11/12/2020 at 3:17 AM, the god on earth said: So according to Melisandre you can use kingsblood to wake stone dragons. "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons from stone." so is this only possible for Azor Ahai? because the tragedy of summerhal seems quite a good ritual to wake dragons from stone, as king Aegon V meant to hatch them with wildfire, this backfired and killed a lot of people including Targaryens (king's blood). why didn't dragons hatch then? If they only hatch for Azor Ahai this means Dany is Azor Ahai reborn since she was able to wake dragons from stone. And if the king's blood must be a sacrifice to the red god when why did they hatch with daenerys, she wasn't into the red god at that point. The return of the dragons have nothing to do with religion. Religion is a construction of man's need for explanations and answers when their knowledge is inadequate to provide them. Magic require no answers. It operates under different laws. Reincarnation brought the dragons back. Dany is the Mother and that is what mothers do, give life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedBear Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 It is literal and metaphorical dragons, Dany and other targaryens are the metaphorical dragons to be awakened, and the literal dragons that were born from the stone eggs. Not only does Dany awaken literal dragons in AGOT, but she awakens her own dragon side. Maybe that's Jon's next point during his death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Hold Em Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 11 hours ago, The Lord of the Crossing said: The return of the dragons have nothing to do with religion. Religion is a construction of man's need for explanations and answers when their knowledge is inadequate to provide them. Magic require no answers. It operates under different laws. Reincarnation brought the dragons back. Dany is the Mother and that is what mothers do, give life. Daenerys uses religion as a tool for her convenience. I like that. Stannis is the same way. She is not really devout. Rhllor did not bring those dragons back. She did that on her own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James West Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 11/12/2020 at 3:17 AM, the god on earth said: So according to Melisandre you can use kingsblood to wake stone dragons. "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons from stone." so is this only possible for Azor Ahai? because the tragedy of summerhal seems quite a good ritual to wake dragons from stone, as king Aegon V meant to hatch them with wildfire, this backfired and killed a lot of people including Targaryens (king's blood). why didn't dragons hatch then? If they only hatch for Azor Ahai this means Dany is Azor Ahai reborn since she was able to wake dragons from stone. And if the king's blood must be a sacrifice to the red god when why did they hatch with daenerys, she wasn't into the red god at that point. The dragons hatched their own eggs. But the death of the last dragon meant there was no one who could incubate the existing eggs. The Azor Ahai had to be female in order to carry out the incubation and hatching of the eggs. Daenerys periodically asked to have the eggs brought to her. That was the incubation phase. Drogo's funeral was the last step in the process and it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I guess this question depends on how much stock you put in anything Melisandre has to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 11/20/2020 at 6:50 AM, CamiloRP said: Do you really believe that the religion that burns people alive and kills people just because they are part of other religions has it right? Probably does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Stone in often used as a metaphor for lacking compassion and empathy. Whatever waking a stone dragon means...its probably not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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