Aldarion Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: I want to see Jon use Fus Ro Da. Maybe if he reincarnates into a bear... Craving Peaches 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Craving Peaches said: I want to see Jon use Fus Ro Da. If he Fus Ro Das a dragon down and Dany was riding it, would it still be kinslaying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: If he Fus Ro Das a dragon down and Dany was riding it, would it still be kinslaying? Nah, Westeros dragons are mindless animals unlike Tamrielic dragons, so not kinslaying. Aldarion and Corvo the Crow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/25/2023 at 2:36 PM, H Wadsworth Longfellow said: Jon's chances of losing his mind are exponentially greater than Dany's chances. Even more so now after Bowen Marsh and the brother punctured him in multiple places. His anger and hate started to build as he lay dying. I don't think Jon will forget that during death and when the WW revive him his mind will be partially gone. Just like Cat's mind has decayed. Jon doesn’t deserve a good ending. He won’t get one. Lyanna<3Rhaegar, The Gizzard of Oz, Jaenara Belarys and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeron the Daring Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 10:58 PM, The Commentator said: Jon doesn’t deserve a good ending. He won’t get one. Neither will you. Nor will I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gizzard of Oz Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Jon is stuck to that wall like a fungus. He ain't leaving. He is the blue flower growing on a crack that he made on the wall. He might come to some sense later on and but that is doubtful because he died. Only the white walkers and their magic can bring him back as a wight in their service. Darth Sidious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf's Bane Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 9:24 PM, Damsel in Distress said: I posted a comment on this in 2017. If R + L = J is true, then Jon Snow is the one who will go insane. He will have incidences of insanity from the Stark as well as the Targaryen side. His kin, Arya Stark, is already insane. I edited, updated, and re-posted below: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Rumors of Targaryen Madness is an Exaggeration. And a slander against the ruling House Targaryen. The prevalence of the madness that runs in the family is exaggerated. A careful study of the Targaryen lineage shows that this madness is not as prevalent as their enemies would have us believe. Targaryen + Targaryen = Maegor the Cruel Arryn + Targaryen = Rhaenyra Hightower + Targaryen = Aegon II Rogare + Targaryen = Aegon IV Velaryon + Targaryen = Baelor the Blessed Dayne + Targaryen = Aerion Brightflame Kiera + Targaryen = Vaela Targaryen + Targaryen = Aerys II In red - female parent. Non-Targaryen female parent. Italics – unclear whether these people were mad or simply just cruel. Vaela is likely someone who just had a below average mental capacity. What interests me most is that the majority of the so-called “mad” members of the family were not the direct result of T + T but rather the result of what appears to be normal pairings. A second item of note is that the madness happens more often when the mother comes from outside the family. This means the carriers of the madness are the male Targaryens. Thirdly, because we are dealing with a fantasy world in which real genetics may not completely hold true, we can assume that anyone whose father is a Targaryen will have an equal chance of going mad as any other member of the family with a Targaryen father. Also note that we have not had a female Targaryen of whom we can clearly point out as mad. None. Rhaenyra was a b* but being a difficult person does not make one mad. Maegor was cruel but that doesn’t mean he was mad. If cruelty alone make one mad then Tywin and Stannis could be labeled insane. Implications are as follows: 1. The Targaryens are the most prominent family in the series of A Song of Ice and Fire. I do not believe George R R Martin will end this family line. I think the family just needed a fresh start and based on my theory that the males carry the potentially damaging gene it makes sense to eliminate the male line and begin anew with a perfect Targaryen female. Who is, of course, the Mother of Dragons herself, Daenerys Targaryen. 2. The Targaryen dragons also needed a refresh. The heroine delivered once more and hatched three eggs. 3. Daenerys Targaryen is just fine. She will not go mad. Her future children are not going to go mad. 4. Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon. Should this theory of his parentage prove to be true, that Rhaegar is the father and Lyanna Stark the mother, it is very likely that it will be Jon who will go insane. My verdict? Jon has a much greater chance of going mad than Daenerys. Jon's chances are equivalent or greater. I say equivalent or a little more because of his gender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wadsworth Longfellow Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 1/14/2023 at 9:24 PM, Damsel in Distress said: I posted a comment on this in 2017. If R + L = J is true, then Jon Snow is the one who will go insane. He will have incidences of insanity from the Stark as well as the Targaryen side. His kin, Arya Stark, is already insane. I edited, updated, and re-posted below: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Rumors of Targaryen Madness is an Exaggeration. And a slander against the ruling House Targaryen. The prevalence of the madness that runs in the family is exaggerated. A careful study of the Targaryen lineage shows that this madness is not as prevalent as their enemies would have us believe. Targaryen + Targaryen = Maegor the Cruel Arryn + Targaryen = Rhaenyra Hightower + Targaryen = Aegon II Rogare + Targaryen = Aegon IV Velaryon + Targaryen = Baelor the Blessed Dayne + Targaryen = Aerion Brightflame Kiera + Targaryen = Vaela Targaryen + Targaryen = Aerys II In red - female parent. Non-Targaryen female parent. Italics – unclear whether these people were mad or simply just cruel. Vaela is likely someone who just had a below average mental capacity. What interests me most is that the majority of the so-called “mad” members of the family were not the direct result of T + T but rather the result of what appears to be normal pairings. A second item of note is that the madness happens more often when the mother comes from outside the family. This means the carriers of the madness are the male Targaryens. Thirdly, because we are dealing with a fantasy world in which real genetics may not completely hold true, we can assume that anyone whose father is a Targaryen will have an equal chance of going mad as any other member of the family with a Targaryen father. Also note that we have not had a female Targaryen of whom we can clearly point out as mad. None. Rhaenyra was a b* but being a difficult person does not make one mad. Maegor was cruel but that doesn’t mean he was mad. If cruelty alone make one mad then Tywin and Stannis could be labeled insane. Implications are as follows: 1. The Targaryens are the most prominent family in the series of A Song of Ice and Fire. I do not believe George R R Martin will end this family line. I think the family just needed a fresh start and based on my theory that the males carry the potentially damaging gene it makes sense to eliminate the male line and begin anew with a perfect Targaryen female. Who is, of course, the Mother of Dragons herself, Daenerys Targaryen. 2. The Targaryen dragons also needed a refresh. The heroine delivered once more and hatched three eggs. 3. Daenerys Targaryen is just fine. She will not go mad. Her future children are not going to go mad. 4. Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon. Should this theory of his parentage prove to be true, that Rhaegar is the father and Lyanna Stark the mother, it is very likely that it will be Jon who will go insane. My verdict? Jon has a much greater chance of going mad than Daenerys. Jon was the famous Night's King. He is back and he will pretty much reprise the role of evil commander. The wildlings will either convert and offer up human sacrifices or they will leave Castle Black. The black rock of the ancient stories is either going to be in the Winterfell crypts or somewhere in one of the strongholds at the Wall. Jaenara Belarys and Here's Looking At You, Kid 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 16 hours ago, H Wadsworth Longfellow said: Jon was the famous Night's King. When did this happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 6 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: When did this happen? Most likely in his last fan fiction. Terrorthatflapsinthenight9, Aldarion, Craving Peaches and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here's Looking At You, Kid Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Jon is the likeliest to be the reincarnation of the Night's King. What Jon has done regarding the disastrous mission to steal "Arya" from her husband will lead to problems that will eventually destroy the order of the Night's Watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 On 7/28/2023 at 2:36 AM, The Gizzard of Oz said: Jon is stuck to that wall like a fungus. He ain't leaving. He is the blue flower growing on a crack that he made on the wall. He might come to some sense later on and but that is doubtful because he died. Only the white walkers and their magic can bring him back as a wight in their service. The Others will revive Jon’s broken body. He’s already a traitor. I can see Jon making an evil pact with the White Walkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Many-Faced Votary Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 14 hours ago, Darth Sidious said: The Others will revive Jon’s broken body. He’s already a traitor. I can see Jon making an evil pact with the White Walkers. The Dothraki will resuscitate Dany's sickly body. She's already a traitor. I can see Dany making an evil pact with the Great Masters. Jaenara Belarys and kissdbyfire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, Many-Faced Votary said: The Dothraki will resuscitate Dany's sickly body. She's already a traitor. I can see Dany making an evil pact with the Great Masters. I mean Dany abandoned her people in Meereen, to fly away on her dragon. It's a shame she's likely to make a pact with the savage horse lords, and likely to go insane in their service, lol Aldarion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Jon died in his last chapter. The Others can bring the dead back to some sick imitation of life and that will be good enough for Jon to find his sister and take her away from her many enemies. Like the ice dragon. He gets to rescue a girl, he thinks is his sister, and lives just long enough to do it and then finally melts away forever. He is a man guilty of treason and he is not going to have a place anywhere among the living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Cross Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 1/14/2023 at 9:24 PM, Damsel in Distress said: Targaryen + Targaryen = Maegor the Cruel Arryn + Targaryen = Rhaenyra Hightower + Targaryen = Aegon II Rogare + Targaryen = Aegon IV Velaryon + Targaryen = Baelor the Blessed Dayne + Targaryen = Aerion Brightflame Kiera + Targaryen = Vaela Targaryen + Targaryen = Aerys II In red - female parent. Non-Targaryen female parent. The Targs who lost their minds had one parent who was not a Targaryen. Aerys is the one exception but it was the maesters who poisoned him. I think that is the key. Godlike beings like the Targaryens should not mix blood with regular humans. kissdbyfire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav2001c Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/2/2024 at 11:07 PM, Many-Faced Votary said: The Dothraki will resuscitate Dany's sickly body. She's already a traitor. I can see Dany making an evil pact with the Great Masters. It is after all a Song of Ice and Fire Dany goes east to get whatever that darkness was that consumed Aerea from within Jon goes north to get whatever that darkness was that forced them to build the Wall in the first place Somehow the two main pieces are going to clash before books are done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 4 hours ago, Eli Cross said: The Targs who lost their minds had one parent who was not a Targaryen. Aerys is the one exception but it was the maesters who poisoned him. I think that is the key. Godlike beings like the Targaryens should not mix blood with regular humans. Great, another really insightful opinion which totally contributes to the rational discussion completely based on the text rather than irrational love/hate relationships with fictitious characters. Many-Faced Votary, Aldarion and kissdbyfire 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 2/18/2024 at 8:57 AM, H Wadsworth Longfellow said: Jon was the famous Night's King I must truly compliment you upon your creative ability. Notwithstanding the fact that it belongs what's most likely a sad, dry ham sandwich of a person. So far as I know, we've never gotten any evidence that the above is true, so I would appreciate it if you provided the evidence to back it up. Page numbers and all. On 3/2/2024 at 8:12 PM, sifth said: I mean Dany abandoned her people in Meereen, to fly away on her dragon. It's a shame she's likely to make a pact with the savage horse lords, and likely to go insane in their service, lol She probably won't go insane because of anything mentioned previously, unless she brings the Dothraki to Westeros. If she does do that, she'll go postal because of the sheer logistical and diplomatic headache they would give her lol kissdbyfire, sifth and Many-Faced Votary 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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