Maithanet Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Zelensky says Russia is planning a terrorist act at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (Wapo, limited clicks) Quote Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky warned Thursday that Russian forces were preparing a “terrorist act” at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, Europe’s largest atomic power station, as officials in Moscow said the head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency, Rafael Grossi, would travel to Russia to meet with nuclear authorities on Friday. Ukrainian “intelligence has received information that Russia is considering the scenario of a terrorist act at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant — a terrorist act with the release of radiation,” Zelensky said in a video address released on social media Thursday morning. “They have prepared everything for this.” Zelensky did not provide further details but said Ukraine would share “all the evidence” with Kyiv’s international partners — “all of them.” He also warned that “radiation knows no borders” and “who it hits” will depend on the “direction of the wind.” We all feared this would happen, and those fears were heightened after the Russians blew up the Kakhovka Hydroelectric plant earlier this month. Clearly Russia is prepared to commit war crimes on a huge scale if it sees a political/military benefit. I can only hope that somehow Russia can be talked down from this, or Ukraine can capture the plant quickly, or that the people ordered to do this will simply not carry it out. Darzin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 33 minutes ago, Maithanet said: Zelensky says Russia is planning a terrorist act at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (Wapo, limited clicks) We all feared this would happen, and those fears were heightened after the Russians blew up the Kakhovka Hydroelectric plant earlier this month. Clearly Russia is prepared to commit war crimes on a huge scale if it sees a political/military benefit. I can only hope that somehow Russia can be talked down from this, or Ukraine can capture the plant quickly, or that the people ordered to do this will simply not carry it out. Radioation due to Chernobyl on Scottish sheep farms only dropped to below safe levels in 2010. Can’t imagine those countries neighbouring Russia and Ukraine will be thrilled at this. Nor parts of Russian to the east of Ukraine when the wind blows east. I think this could lead to direct action from the west ie not just western aircraft but western pilots in them. Poland wiloikd definitely lose its shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Prighozin giving an honest assessment or just trying to make Shoigu etc look bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toth Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Prighozin giving an honest assessment or just trying to make Shoigu etc look bad? As far as I can tell Wagner is not involved in any of the defensive fighting, so you can bet it's meant as a snipe at Shoigu. That the official Russian assessment of Ukrainian losses involve a laughable ton of wishful thinking is pretty much a given as well however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 I wouldn't put much stock in anything Prigozhin or Girkin or any of these war criminals say. We have ample evidence that Russia is suffering a high losses this month. The Russians insist that the Ukrainians are suffering even more, which is harder to verify (Ukraine is fairly tight lipped about this). But the fact that Russia is still releasing photos of the same destroyed Bradleys from the first couple days (but from different angles!) indicates that Ukrainian losses are fairly light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Problem with self-serving liars in all camps on the Russian side. There has to be a scenario in which all of them are lying, while they contradict each other. Logically one of them has to tell the truth, but it just seems so improbable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Just now, A Horse Named Stranger said: There has to be a scenario in which all of them are lying, while they contradict each other. Logically one of them has to tell the truth, but it just seems so improbable. Five people can have five stories and all of them be lies. It is likely that at times some of them are speaking in partial truths, but trying to sift out what is what is not worthwhile IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) On 6/22/2023 at 12:22 PM, Maithanet said: I'm sure that the Ukrainians are taking casualties, but one thing we do know is that most of the new brigades formed with western equipment have not been deployed yet. Many are still training. So the culmination point for Ukraine is probably still a long ways off. They don't want that to be too long. Ukraine really needs to make substantial gains this year to minimise the chance this war end up a protracted several years affair. 12 hours ago, Maithanet said: We all feared this would happen, and those fears were heightened after the Russians blew up the Kakhovka Hydroelectric plant earlier this month. Clearly Russia is prepared to commit war crimes on a huge scale if it sees a political/military benefit. I can only hope that somehow Russia can be talked down from this, or Ukraine can capture the plant quickly, or that the people ordered to do this will simply not carry it out. A cynical view is also that it's been a while since there has been a substantial nuclear power station incident to keep people opposed to expanding nuclear power as part of weaning off fossil fuels. So, Russia has two motivations for blowing up this plant. Edited June 23, 2023 by The Anti-Targ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) And Edited June 23, 2023 by Derfel Cadarn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 not super clear what is going on, but if the Russian military and Wagner are at the point of launching missiles at each other, that doesn't bode well for thier ability too fight off the Ukrainian offensive. The hairy bear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 I liked the clip of Zelenskyy Corvinus85, Kalbear and horangi 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 The Prighozin announcement apparently https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672314259907158028?s=46&t=YQ5EoXBFy9mUDmV3PkLqIg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) Chaos reigns. Nobody knows what is going on. Reports that the Russian military is bombing up lpr and dpr positions, as well as Wagner. Is prigozhin attempting a coup? He couldn't possibly have the strength (or ammo) to win a protracted battle with the Russian military. Edited June 23, 2023 by Maithanet Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Maithanet said: Chaos reigns. Nobody knows what is going on. Reports that the Russian military is bombing up lpr and dpr positions, as well as Wagner. Is prigozhin attempting a coup? He couldn't possibly have the strength (or ammo) to win a protracted battle with the Russian military. An actual Russian Civil War would absolutely be good news for Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: An actual Russian Civil War would absolutely be good news for Ukraine. Civil wars are rarely good news. But I guess it's possible... Durckad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 I was actually going to remark earlier, before this report, that it seems Putin had a cunning plan after all, which was to have the Russian civil war in someone else's country. Seems to be working. JGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toth Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 https://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Popcorn-Jon-Stewart.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Maithanet said: prigozhin attempting a coup? He couldn't possibly have the strength (or ammo) to win a protracted battle with the Russian military. I’ll believe it when he directly and explicitly attacks Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Well, that's all fun. Meanwhile, Ukraine's 79th Brigade has apparently repulsed a Russian assault on their positions near Marinka and apparently followed up by capturing the Russian positions from which the attack was launched. These positions are on the other side of the 2014-22 line of contact in Donbas, meaning that Ukraine has simply waltzed over Russian positions that have been heavily fortified since 2014, and are in the city limits of Donetsk City itself. Which is quite amusing. In that sector, the Russians are now worse off than they were on February 22nd last year. Unclear if Ukraine can hold, their forces might be better advised to return to the launching point. Mind you, if the Russian position in the region is as tenuous as Priogzhin suggests (remember: he is full of shit), who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 If Wagner has circa 50k men and they rush to Moscow, could the Russian army hold them back save by stripping troops from the defensive lines? Given Prighozin’s conplaints about lack of supplies, can he even get his men to Moscow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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