Padraig Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 28 minutes ago, dog-days said: That was slightly faster than expected. Putin must feel sure he's got Wagner under control. And actually, I don’t think Putin was getting enough Wagner troops enlisting in his forces. He obviously needs those troops, so this could be forcing the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toth Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Padraig said: Prigozhin seemed very naive but that word shouldn’t be used against such a man. Someday we’ll learn what was really going on. I mean... that's the same guy that apparently thought making an armed bum-rush to the capital would lead to the defense minister he has a feud with get replaced... Since it's the only motivation that makes at least a bit of sense for him to just fold and think he could get away with it... Him being absurdly naive/deluded of his own irreplacibility makes as much sense as anything. The last years of international politics have taught me that we are indeed in the dumbest possible timeline and suspecting rational motivations behind utter stupidity only leads to empty conspiracy theories. Life makes more sense, even if it's baffling, if you assume that stupidity is as good a reason as any for stupid things to happen. Spockydog, Ser Scot A Ellison, dog-days and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Holy shit they took down a jet to get the Wagner Chief guy didnt they? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jet-crash-in-russia-kills-10-wagner-chief-was-on-passenger-list_n_64e64162e4b0a04c2ed7dfaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog-days Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said: Holy shit they took down a jet to get the Wagner Chief guy didnt they? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jet-crash-in-russia-kills-10-wagner-chief-was-on-passenger-list_n_64e64162e4b0a04c2ed7dfaf Maybe this'll increase the value of Russian-made missiles on the international arms markets after a post-Ukraine trough. I'm assuming a missile was used rather than a bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, dog-days said: Maybe this'll increase the value of Russian-made missiles on the international arms markets after a post-Ukraine trough. I'm assuming a missile was used rather than a bomb. You can see what looks like the contrail of the missile in one of the videos on the last page. dog-days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Ran said: Holy shit, that footage is absolutely insane. Has anyone knocked out a translation of what the woman is saying? It's mostly a stream of assorted profanities, but near the beginning, she says that the drone (which she believes the falling object to be) was shot down -- she heard two explosions before it fell. It does not occur to her that anyone in the area would shoot down a passenger jet. Ran 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Luzifer's right hand said: I know he does not care about human lives but killing the crew and letting debris rain down s a new level I feel. Reports are every window was already in use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I appreciate that the headlines read that the plane crashed. IT CRASHED INTO A FUCKING MISSILE YOU MEALY-MOUTH FUCKHEADS DanteGabriel, Makk, Winterfell is Burning and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Maithanet said: Come at the king, you best not miss. RIP Michael K. Williams It was to the young Oliver Wendell Holmes, the future Supreme Court justice, who tried to refute Plato,that Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote, ''When you strike at a king, you must kill him.'' https://libquotes.com/ralph-waldo-emerson/quote/lbm1l0a Omar was more highly educated, than he generally got credit for. Edited August 23, 2023 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Goodnight my sweet wouldbe prince, you just flew too high, but not high enough for the Russian Air Defense. Anyway... Wagner leadership travelling in the same plane, now that's a lemming move, if there ever was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog-days Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Indeed. So so so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 If it was inexplicably dumb of Prigozhin, do you suppose he faked his death? Was it confirmed that he was on the plane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said: faked his death Probably that was the second thing most of us considered. That's how things roll these daze, and everybody lies. ATC just literally at this moment is considering this. Their expert gives all credit though, to Putin, who believes "revenge is a dish best served cold." A day for hoary quotes wrt Ukraine, you betcha! Edited August 23, 2023 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 34 minutes ago, Kalnak the Magnificent said: I appreciate that the headlines read that the plane crashed. IT CRASHED INTO A FUCKING MISSILE YOU MEALY-MOUTH FUCKHEADS Suicide missle. Deadlines? What Deadlines? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 But can we at least appreciate the fact, that the Russian army has finally achieved some success with their de-nazification mission by killing Utkin. Winterfell is Burning, timmett, Which Tyler and 6 others 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said: If it was inexplicably dumb of Prigozhin, do you suppose he faked his death? Was it confirmed that he was on the plane? He does have a second plane that was in the air at the same time. I suppose it is possible that he was on that plane. But it seems pretty likely he's dead. What an unbelievably stupid man. He inexplicably folded during his one shot at victory and then seemed to think he'd actually be safe to just roam Russia?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 So here I assume Prigozhin has left the board, what does this mean for Wagner in Africa, and for Africa generally. Woo! this even while the BRIC is in session! Saw all over the news yesterday that the Wagner troops were leaving Belarus in large numbers, heading back to Russia. https://kyivindependent.com/national-resistance-center-wagner-fighters-leave-belarus-due-to-low-pay/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makk Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said: If it was inexplicably dumb of Prigozhin, do you suppose he faked his death? Was it confirmed that he was on the plane? I think it was just dumb, massively inflated ego led him to believe he was safe. He has been flying around all over the place so has given Putin multiple opportunities. The only way I think he could still be alive is if someone tipped him off. Overall a good thing, I did not want him in charge of Russia, just as evil as Putin and more in touch with what is actually happening (although apparently not overly so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Deadlines? What Deadlines? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 38 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: Goodnight my sweet wouldbe prince, you just flew too high, but not high enough for the Russian Air Defense. Anyway... Wagner leadership travelling in the same plane, now that's a lemming move, if there ever was one. They should have learned after half the government of Poland went out the same way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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