KingAerys_II Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) Tirion , the city of the Noldor, Daeron the best singer , Aegnor, Maglor, even the names.... He has read the Silmarillion Edited March 2 by KingAerys_II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: Tirion , the city of the Noldor, Daeron the best singer , Aegnor, Maglor, even the names.... He has read the Silmarillion No one said he hadn’t??? You were grossly exaggerating its impact onASoI&F Tirion/Tyrion is a stretch! Edited March 2 by Derfel Cadarn Corvinus85, IlyaP and Ser Scot A Ellison 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 And I wonder where Tolkein drew inspiration from? Not like there's innumerable sources out there where he discusses his own influences. DMC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 17 hours ago, HexMachina said: And I wonder where Tolkein drew inspiration from? Not like there's innumerable sources out there where he discusses his own influences. The Bible and Norse mythology JGP and polishgenius 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 3/2/2024 at 1:47 PM, Derfel Cadarn said: No one said he hadn’t???   KingAerys is just jealous because GRRM has read the Silmarillion and he hasn't. Derfel Cadarn, Corvinus85, baxus and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Given the department in which he taught, and being educated in the classics, it's quite clear that Mediterranean/Greek/Roman mythology and epics, including from the Bronze Age and beyond, would have been part of his educational diet. Worth also recalling the Quenyan word for the fallen (or downfallen?) in reference to Numenor was "Atalante". In short, a cursory knowledge of Tolkien's professional and educational background would reveal that influences in his work can be traced back to numerous texts, mythologies, and epics, from Homer's Illiad and Odyssey to Virgil's Aeneid, to the nameless author of Beowulf, the Kalavela, and more. And of course the Old and New Testament as well as the poems of Tennyson, the texts of William Morris, and more. (All of the above isn't new information, as there are plenty of academic journals, texts, and university courses that have covered this ground - Tolkien's literary influences - in exhaustive detail.) Prince of the North and Corvinus85 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 11 hours ago, polishgenius said:  KingAerys is just jealous because GRRM has read the Silmarillion and he hasn't. RoP writers never did too, I don't expect good things in the next seasons, the mithril as source of elves immortality makes impossible to fix the plot and to portray the fall of Numenor due to the King's desire to achieve immortality. The Silmarillion influenced fantasy writers including GRRM, and they created this low quality stuff about the rings, that's degrading Edited March 5 by KingAerys_II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 5 hours ago, KingAerys_II said: RoP writers never did too, I don't expect good things in the next seasons, the mithril as source of elves immortality makes impossible to fix the plot and to portray the fall of Numenor due to the King's desire to achieve immortality. The Silmarillion influenced fantasy writers including GRRM, and they created this low quality stuff about the rings, that's degrading It’s irrelevant if they read it or not, since they’d get sued for using material from it not explicitly in thr LotR appendices (or otherwise authorised by the estate). IlyaP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 4 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said: It’s irrelevant if they read it or not, since they’d get sued for using material from it not explicitly in thr LotR appendices (or otherwise authorised by the estate). Precisely this. Whether we like it or not, they've been given very little narrative wiggle room, with the Lost Tales, Unfinished Tales, and Silmarillion all off-limits. When you're told to fill in the gaps of five pages of outlined text, and are legally unable to use material that could fit within those five pages of outlines, this is what one gets. (Whether this makes one pleased with or annoyed with the Tolkien Estate is an entirely subjective matter.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASOIAFrelatedusername Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 If they can't adapt it properly because of rights, then they shouldn't have attempted it in the first place. And honestly their failings are not due to lack of access to certain materials. The creators are simply hacks. baxus, Ser Scot A Ellison and Prince of the North 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 12 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said: If they can't adapt it properly because of rights, then they shouldn't have attempted it in the first place. And honestly their failings are not due to lack of access to certain materials. The creators are simply hacks. But how would Amazon sell it's not very good streaming platform?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Not everyone is gonna appreciate this video but... it's quite good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) Skimmed the video, since I didn't actually watch the show, and he seems to raise many reasonable points I've heard from others. I winced when he turned to counting fan fic counts, but at least he acknowledged that the level of "horniness" in a show has a big impact on what people write. But it's true, TRoP is absolutely a disappointment in relation to its budget. That said, he makes the mistake many people make, re: HotD, that GRRM's involvement means approval on all aspects of the show. George is not the show-runner, he's not the writer of any of the episodes, and he and the showrunners have acknowledged in interviews that there are times that Condal and the writers makes choices he disagrees with but ultimately it's their responsibility to make and deliver the show, and they agree to disagree. But Condal genuinely involves George in all of these discussions, and at least explains why they want to deviate or do something different, so that George will understand it even if he disagrees. That's respect. We do not know what things would differ if George was in fact truly in charge of the show (well, other than the fact that he wanted to start way back when Aemon and Baelon were still alive), but it would not be 100% the same as the show we've got in regards to the places where they deviate from his story and setting. (I'm 100% sure the Velaryon seahorse would be an actual  seahorse, though. #FixTheSeahorse) Edited April 4 by Ran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 On 3/1/2024 at 11:15 AM, Corvinus85 said: Cain and Abel shake their heads sadly. Cain shakes Abel's detached head sadly. Durckad and baxus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASOIAFrelatedusername Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 More leaks Actually something that was leaked by TORn three months ago corroborated possibly https://redanianintelligence.com/2024/04/16/new-information-on-the-rings-of-power-season-2-and-its-multiple-endings/ Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Bezos: I want a show as big and as succesful as GoT. RoP producers proceed to literally take a page out of book 2/season 2 and use Tyrion's scheme of uncovering a spy but in real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Though he owns majority stock still, don't think Bezos bothers in the least with the day-to-day of amazon as a whole, much less Amazon Prime and decisions about the 'Originals.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 36 minutes ago, Zorral said: Though he owns majority stock still, don't think Bezos bothers in the least with the day-to-day of amazon as a whole, much less Amazon Prime and decisions about the 'Originals.' He made that comment years ago, back when he was more involved, such as when he stepped in to save The Expanse after SyFy cancelled it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 Filming multiple endings for this season makes me think the people running this have a very different understanding of the fan reaction to the show. This is the kind of gimmick you'd do if you have the big hit everyone talks about the next day at work not....this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 So if this is true, it's clear as day, they don't have a plan and are just making this up as they go along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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