Rhom Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Yeah, I wouldn't call it YA at all. Unless your book needs to have graphic on page sex; then its still very much Abercrombie. Still violent. Still a wry sense of humor. Still well paced and written. I really enjoyed it. There were some similarities with the Broken Empire series from Mark Lawrence in that they are both post-apocalyptic Europe. If you like Joe, its definitely worth a read. Pellert and SeanF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellert Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Thanks all, I’ll then definitely give it a go when I am done with 1.5 remaining Bakker books @Rhom - I also have on the agenda to ask more about Mark Lawrence, I think I read the Prince of Thorns some 10-15 years ago, but didn’t particularly liked and never continued. I can’t remember exactly why I didn’t like it anymore, so I have been considering to try it again - but that is for another thread at another point in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 24 minutes ago, Pellert said: Thanks all, I’ll then definitely give it a go when I am done with 1.5 remaining Bakker books @Rhom - I also have on the agenda to ask more about Mark Lawrence, I think I read the Prince of Thorns some 10-15 years ago, but didn’t particularly liked and never continued. I can’t remember exactly why I didn’t like it anymore, so I have been considering to try it again - but that is for another thread at another point in the future Prince of Thorns can make some people uncomfortable in its depictions of the villains as your protagonists. (But if you like Bakker... I'm guessing thats not a problem for you! ) It is definitely the weakest of his books I think. Lawrence is one of my most consistently enjoyed authors. He consistently produces great books. Pellert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On 3/11/2024 at 4:10 PM, Rhom said: Prince of Thorns can make some people uncomfortable in its depictions of the villains as your protagonists. (But if you like Bakker... I'm guessing thats not a problem for you! ) It is definitely the weakest of his books I think. Lawrence is one of my most consistently enjoyed authors. He consistently produces great books. What put me off Prince of Thorns, early on, is the protagonist recounting raping a farmer’s daughter, before locking her in a barn with her family, and burning them alive. Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Not Appearing Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 On 3/22/2024 at 4:27 AM, SeanF said: What put me off Prince of Thorns, early on, is the protagonist recounting raping a farmer’s daughter, before locking her in a barn with her family, and burning them alive. Never read it. And now I never will. Hard pass. IlyaP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/2/2024 at 12:39 AM, Ser Not Appearing said: Never read it. And now I never will. Hard pass. It turns out at the end, he was being affected by an evil wizard, but it’s a nauseating first impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Gollancz has made available the fist three chapters from the Devils, the first book of Joe's new trilogy. They are real fun. The style is 100% Abercrombie, but it feels something completely new. I'm already sold! AncalagonTheBlack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Not Appearing Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 4 hours ago, The hairy bear said: Gollancz has made available the fist three chapters from the Devils, the first book of Joe's new trilogy. They are real fun. The style is 100% Abercrombie, but it feels something completely new. I'm already sold! Didn't work for me on Amazon but worked on Google, thanks! (I love Joe Abercrombie's work) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Is it related to the First Law Universe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 6 minutes ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said: Is it related to the First Law Universe? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 No, it's not a First Law universe book. It's set in a parallel version of our own world. Apparently the geography it's the same, but demons and cannibalistic elves inhabit the earth. Calibandar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Not Appearing Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) It has either the best or the worst description I've ever seen. Just a bizarre, inherently humorous mashup: "In a magic-riddled Europe under constant threat of elf invasion, the ten year old Pope occasionally needs services that cannot be performed by the righteous. And so, sealed deep beneath the catacombs, cathedrals and relic stalls of the Sacred City lies the secret Chapel of the Holy Expediency. For its highly disposable congregation—including a self-serving magician, a self-satisfied vampire, an oversexed werewolf, and a knight cursed with immortality—there is no mission that cannot be turned into a calamitous bloodbath…" Edited April 11 by Ser Not Appearing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Dungeons & Dragons: Suicide Squad... (I so want to read this though...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 13 hours ago, Ser Not Appearing said: It has either the best or the worst description I've ever seen. Just a bizarre, inherently humorous mashup: "In a magic-riddled Europe under constant threat of elf invasion, the ten year old Pope occasionally needs services that cannot be performed by the righteous. And so, sealed deep beneath the catacombs, cathedrals and relic stalls of the Sacred City lies the secret Chapel of the Holy Expediency. For its highly disposable congregation—including a self-serving magician, a self-satisfied vampire, an oversexed werewolf, and a knight cursed with immortality—there is no mission that cannot be turned into a calamitous bloodbath…" I love Joe but this sounds like bad fan fiction… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 14 hours ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said: I love Joe but this sounds like bad fan fiction… He's batting about 1000. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. JGP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I’m halfway through Before they were Hanged and it’s full of scenes I could easily describe as enormous cliches, stuff I’ve heard a million times before. But none of it bothers me because it’s so well written, so fun to consume, full of characters I enjoy spending time with. So assume if he writes a story about an elf invasion in London, it will be a lot better than it sounds. SeanF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, Heartofice said: I’m halfway through Before they were Hanged and it’s full of scenes I could easily describe as enormous cliches, stuff I’ve heard a million times before. But none of it bothers me because it’s so well written, so fun to consume, full of characters I enjoy spending time with. So assume if he writes a story about an elf invasion in London, it will be a lot better than it sounds. Sure, you’re never getting originality with Joe Abercrombie. What you get is loads of black humour, hilarious dialogue, and much fun. Heartofice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellert Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 This sounds like a f*cking stew of whatever you decide as your ingredients. That’s being said, Joe (‘s work) is absolutely amazing and based on previous work I definitely give him the “benefit of the doubt”. Reason for putting in it “ “ is that I maintain 110% trust that Joe knows fully that he is cooking a questionable stew, but is fully capable (and then some..) of turning into a delicious Michelin-worthy 10-course, with wine-pairing - so it’s not really a doubt at the end of the day.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) “Eaten by Cannibalistic Elves” That’s the way I wanna go out of this world. Edit: But if an elf eats a human, is that really cannibalism? Edited April 13 by A True Kaniggit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 9 hours ago, SeanF said: Sure, you’re never getting originality with Joe Abercrombie. What you get is loads of black humour, hilarious dialogue, and much fun. When Joe writes clichés it seems to be done in an intentional way, and there's always that Abercrombie twist that makes it his own. BSC is probably still my favourite book of his and at its core its a run of the mill revenge story but so well done Eta: Obligatory "please listen to the audio books because Steven Pacey is incredible" Edited April 13 by HexMachina JGP, A True Kaniggit, Jaxom 1974 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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