Lord Varys Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, DMC said: "Thousands" sounds like a Trump estimate. Rewatching it, it were dozens or scores injured, not everybody interacting with the dragon's body would have died. She didn't breathe fire, after all. Once the dust settles you don't see lots of corpses, and while Meleys hit quite a few people, there is no indication that she intentionally killed lots of people. 1 hour ago, DMC said: Er...what? Jace is the heir to the Iron Throne and Luke is heir to Driftmark. Aemond and Daeron are in line for...absolutely nothing. And Aegon already has a son. If you're looking at it from a 50/50 proposition - or anywhere close - on which side is going to win, Jace and Luke are objectively better prizes. That's inarguable. Which may be why Alicent didn't bring it up - so as not to emphasize she has lesser sons to offer. I agree that Alicent should have tried to make that offer - although it would have been pointless anyway, since the girls seemed to be quite taken by their cousins even before they were formally betrothed. Not to mention that both would likely gladly take out Aemond's second eye. The notion that they are 'better matches', though, is ridiculous and seems to feel into false Targaryen supremacy propaganda that only Targaryens who look Valyrian are well and proper Targaryens. Jace is in line for the throne, and Luke will succeed to the richest lordship in the Realm and command the largest fleet. Alicent's younger sons will hold neither lands nor titles unless the king in his magnimity creates some minor lordship for them. They will live of an allowance granted to them by the king. Without the generosity of the Crown Aemond could most likely not even feed his monstrously large dragon. Although, of course, Alicent could have made better offers - lands and titles and money for Rhaenys and her kin, for instance. 2 hours ago, Happy Ent said: After we got Myseria rhapsodise over “Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses” today, what other quote from Holy Grail can we expect? Mysaria isn't that bad. This is a fantasy world, not the real middle ages, and Mysaria is neither a peasant nor an uneducated woman. She could very well have read whatever political theory there exist in this world, not to mention she could have reached her own conclusions about how power works. Like Varys does. Her little speech there isn't that different from Varys' speech about power as a shadow on the wall. And she is not wrong. Especially in a city a ruler residing there is always at the mercy of the people. They can hound him out of the city and/or depose him. That happened rather often in the middle ages And, you know, in the end we see the truth of Mysaria's words: It is not Alicent or Otto or the septon who anoints him that makes Aegon king. It is the people who are cheering him. When they cheer him he realizes that not only can be king ... but that he is king now. Her take on reducing suffering of the children exploited for the fun of degenerates like Aegon is also well in line with 'the good mobster' character like Vito Corleone who put on certain restrictions on how far organized crime should go. I don't see much difference there, and one expects that the blatant attack on Mysaria's manse is going to trigger an equally ruthless reaction. What they do with her as the series progresses is difficult to say, but she can still do quite a few of the ugly things she does for her own reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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