AncalagonTheBlack Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 https://amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/oct/17/now-its-over-lets-come-out-and-say-it-the-rings-of-power-was-a-stinker Quote The world’s most expensive show – which looked like an episode of Hollyoaks, only with woeful acting – was so inept that every episode left you sniggering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 50 minutes ago, AncalagonTheBlack said: https://amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/oct/17/now-its-over-lets-come-out-and-say-it-the-rings-of-power-was-a-stinker This is actually pretty surprising coming from the Guardian, which has been hyping ROP all season and slagging HOTD (Forbes did the reverse). I’m also surprised they praised Morfydd’s performance, since she’s the one who I’ve seen receive the most criticism of the cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNecromancerofMirkwood Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I refused to even hate watch it on my Prime account. I have better things to do than either be bored to absolute tears or screaming in rage at my computer screen over all the inane ways they drekked all over Tolkien's works. I've had more fun watching stuff like Chato and Chris Gore talking about Rings of Power than whatever little enjoyment I might have derived from the show (which wouldn't have been much as I found almost all the changes Jackson made to be egregious, especially with The Two Towers, The Return of the King and the entire trilogy of The Hobbit). Chato (of The Frantics comedy troupe of "Boot to the Head" fame for you oldsters that remember The Dr. Demento Show) absolutely roasted the series in the funniest way possible (NSFW: cussing) AncalagonTheBlack and Veltigar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 6 hours ago, AncalagonTheBlack said: https://amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/oct/17/now-its-over-lets-come-out-and-say-it-the-rings-of-power-was-a-stinker Some people are really irrational about this. I mean ok you dislike it but it has some insanely good special effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 This review from Forbes is also very interesting. Crixus, Cas Stark and DaveSumm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, Luzifer's right hand said: Some people are really irrational about this. I mean ok you dislike it but it has some insanely good special effects. So did the Star Wars Prequels… they still suck. TheNecromancerofMirkwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: So did the Star Wars Prequels… they still suck. The linked article mentions that it looks like a cheap British soap opera(I googled it). That is just irrational and nothing else. It is one of the best LOOKING TV series ever. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farerb Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Luzifer's right hand said: The linked article mentions that it looks like a cheap British soap opera(I googled it). That is just irrational and nothing else. It is one of the best LOOKING TV series ever. It has some beautiful wide shots, but the sets look cheap, like the three hovels in the Southlands or the one or two streets in Númenor or the marketplace. Luzifer's right hand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynnS Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) This is a fair and balanced critique from a writer and Tolkein scholar. Apparently Amazon approached him offering money to review the episodes and he told them that they would have no say in what he said... and they ghosted him. LOL! He promises a more in depth autopsy at a future date. It's not a glowing review but neither does he hate everything about it. Amazon should have been taking crib notes if they want to improve season two. He also does an interesting review of HotD. Edited October 19, 2022 by LynnS AncalagonTheBlack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valandil Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, The hairy bear said: This review from Forbes is also very interesting. Oof. I enjoyed moments of the show on a superficial, "inspired by Tolkien" level, but most of the criticisms are justified if delivered a little harshly. Absolutely Annatar in the show should have been a two season arc, with him showing up in glory, gaining Celebrimbor's trust, not gaining Gil-Galad, Galadriel and Elrond's trust, and experimenting with ring making, several "essays in the craft" and then the nine, the seven, and not till later, the three. Not pressed into ten minutes at the end of the last ep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 48 minutes ago, Luzifer's right hand said: The linked article mentions that it looks like a cheap British soap opera(I googled it). That is just irrational and nothing else. It is one of the best LOOKING TV series ever. Is it good looking? I'm really confused when people say this. Do they not see the sets? The green screen? The poor looking costuming, the bland colourisation. When people say it's 'good looking' I'm assuming they only pay attention to the handful of shots that seem to have had a lot of thought and work put into them, not the majority of shots which really do look like they came out of a BBC kids tv show. Other than that, the Guardian article is harsh but kind of nails it, the quality is so all over the place especially when it comes to acting performances. I got a lot of pushback saying there are some absolutely soap quality acting performances going on in this show, so it's nice to see a mainstream outlet agreeing with me. Farerb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) I'm doing a re-read of LOTR and one thing that immediately stands out after ROP is that elves are cool again. Tolkien immerses you in elf-love from the start. I walked away from ROP not liking elves at all, they seemed creepy and bad-tempered, apart from Elrond, who seemed too good for them. Basically Vulcans, and Elrond is Spock. (Also I ran across lots of quotes where Tolkien said elf men had long hair, that was missing, too. Here's one: "the hair of the Lord Celeborn was of silver long and bright.") Edited October 20, 2022 by Le Cygne Farerb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashless Society Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Among the many problems with this show, this one points out some micro-level problems that permeate throughout the series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cashless Society said: Among the many problems with this show, this one points out some micro-level problems that permeate throughout the series Good video! They copied so many moments from the LOTR movies, and not to good effect. It's like saying bet you wish you were watching that instead. I wonder if anyone has done a video of all the copied moments. It looks like he made this video before the finale. The season as a whole is like this. There's no real progression to this season other than "fooled ya!" and the result is "well, we'll be doing all of this again later." If Mount Doom had already been created, as in the source material, they could have spent more time on the real story. And when Numenor comes to middle earth again, well, been there, done that already. Edited October 19, 2022 by Le Cygne Heartofice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ IP Broker Says Franchise Can Be As Big As Marvel & ‘Star Wars’, Reveals New Information About Embracer Group Deal fionwe1987, TheNecromancerofMirkwood and JGP 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ser Drewy said: ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ IP Broker Says Franchise Can Be As Big As Marvel & ‘Star Wars’, Reveals New Information About Embracer Group Deal I did a bit of sick in my mouth reading that Ser Scot A Ellison and Farerb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 52 minutes ago, Heartofice said: I did a bit of sick in my mouth reading that Appropriately so… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionwe1987 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Le Cygne said: I walked away from ROP not liking elves at all, they seemed creepy and bad-tempered, apart from Elrond, who seemed too good for them. Basically Vulcans, and Elrond is Spock. I think the writers of the show made the mistake of thinking that since there were plenty of Elves doing pretty shitty things in the Silmarillion, it makes sense to show them as superpowered but more or less Human like in behavior and appearance, and not engage at all with their immortality. Which is exactly how Marvel handles its immortal characters also, so its not hard to see why Amazon chose to follow. Cashless Society 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) Galadriel is abrasive, socially inept, ungrateful, revenge-driven, generally off-putting... She's lost all the magical feeling and wisdom... I think the Galadriel should have been what is called an iconic character. Iconic characters such as for example Gandalf don't need those typical petty human flaws. When they experience character growth, we don't want to see them learn how to handle their emotions or how to talk politely and not be an asshole. It should be something much more grand and awe-inspiring like Gandalf's fight with balrog, his self-sacrifice, his near death and then rebirth. Adding another video that talks about checkboxes, too: Edited October 20, 2022 by Le Cygne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Good lord, that sounds awful. There's a reason Gandalf isn't the lead character. He doesn't work as one. 'Iconic' characters don't. That conflict with the Balrog is cool and all, but it isn't character growth. If Galadriel was written as this guy prefers, she would have to be a supporting character, not the lead. Jackson-Galadriel could never be a lead character. All that serenity and wisdom is great but contemporary audiences would find it too far from the storytelling they understand. So would the writers, in all probability. Just because you have an idea doesn't mean you have a workable story. Week, Arakasi, Lord of Oop North and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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