mcbigski Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 hour ago, Mr. Chatywin et al. said: Caffeinated coffee is a drug... Thankfully its still a drug we can wake up with for now. I see the day coming where coffee is colonialist and problematic. And let's not get started on tea. Let's face it, consuming coffee is adding too much to CO2 emissions. You roast it, then you boil the water brew it. Really if you're not chewing unroasted beans to get your caffeine fix, then I don't want to hear you talking about my real doll's carbon footprint. Jace, Extat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 I have a very strong view that drug use and possession of personal consumption amounts of drugs (any drugs, not just weed) should not come with a criminal conviction or time in prison. If I have to take a side on whether sale of some drugs should be legal I'd come down opposed to sale (and that includes alcohol and tobacco - yes I am in favour of the decommercialisation of booze and ciggies), all drugs, drug users and drug pushers should be equal under the law. Though I would still tend to be against prison or felony convictions if the sale is in small quantities. Prison time should be reserved for the "executives" of business ventures that are making/growing/selling at scale. It's associated behaviour by all involved in the consumption and supply chain that should be criminal, public disorder, driving while under the influence, violence between competing interests. Ultimately what moderates drug taking and prevents social harm is people living happy and fulfilling lives. That's what govts and civil society should be trying to achieve. Get that right and the drug problem takes care of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 36 minutes ago, mcbigski said: Thankfully its still a drug we can wake up with for now. I see the day coming where coffee is colonialist and problematic. And let's not get started on tea. Let's face it, consuming coffee is adding too much to CO2 emissions. You roast it, then you boil the water brew it. Really if you're not chewing unroasted beans to get your caffeine fix, then I don't want to hear you talking about my real doll's carbon footprint. You're afraid that latte sipping liberals will come for your coffee? Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbigski Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Mr. Chatywin et al. said: You're afraid that latte sipping liberals will come for your coffee? Okay. They don't like gas grills or gas range tops. We're going mostly electric it seems, despite the lack of requisite battery tech or embrace of fission to actually power shit. I don't think it's a stretch that control freaks who want to come for my auto, my grill, my mobility, and my nutrition aren't also going to come for my caffeine. Who's being naive Kate? Edited April 10 by mcbigski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 35 minutes ago, mcbigski said: They don't like gas grills or gas range tops. We're going mostly electric it seems, despite the lack of requisite battery tech or embrace of fission to actually power shit. I don't think it's a stretch that control freaks who want to come for my auto, my grill, my mobility, and my nutrition aren't also going to come for my caffeine. Who's being naive Kate? So support the freaks who literally want to control your body while actively telling you they don't want to help you? Bold strategy Cotton. Who's being naive now, Brett? Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bironic Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 4 hours ago, mcbigski said: Thankfully its still a drug we can wake up with for now. I see the day coming where coffee is colonialist and problematic. And let's not get started on tea. Let's face it, consuming coffee is adding too much to CO2 emissions. You roast it, then you boil the water brew it. Really if you're not chewing unroasted beans to get your caffeine fix, then I don't want to hear you talking about my real doll's carbon footprint. Coffee and tea plantations face serious problems due to global warming, thus increasing the price of both… Zorral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigoTheCarpathian Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 7 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: Ultimately what moderates drug taking and prevents social harm is people living happy and fulfilling lives. That's what govts and civil society should be trying to achieve. Get that right and the drug problem takes care of itself. You also need mental health and addiction resources available and accessible to be able to get people out of what comes with drug use. Both of these conditions don’t really exist in the US. Our approach, with states going their own way and rolling things out individually seems to give us the worst of both worlds - it takes a decade for each individual state to close the loopholes and hopefully get to a sustainable place. We are still waiting for cannabis-funded mental health and addiction resources in Oregon 10 years after legalization, whilst dealing with a large influx of homeless who need those services, and massive illegal grow operations that are supplying weed to the black market that still exists in dry states. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) 10 hours ago, mcbigski said: They don't like gas grills or gas range tops. We're going mostly electric it seems, despite the lack of requisite battery tech or embrace of fission to actually power shit. I don't think it's a stretch that control freaks who want to come for my auto, my grill, my mobility, and my nutrition aren't also going to come for my caffeine. Who's being naive Kate? You do realize that switching from gas to electric ranges is a health issue? There's quite a bit of data on this. I actually agree that the uber-focus by liberals on emissions has relegated discussion of other environmental pollutants and destructive behavior to the back burner, but I've yet to meet a conservative or maga type who gives a shit about the environment. They might shed some crocodile tears over batteries and rare-earth mining, but they don't give a fuck about deforestation, anthropogenic extinctions, over-fishing, water pollution, changing out lead lines, or conservation unless it affects a trophy species. How the hell is the left coming for your nutrition? Edited April 10 by Larry of the Lawn *wrong reptile idiom Durckad, Ser Scot A Ellison, Week and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 LMFAO. Backward fucking twats. Republicans praying and speaking in tongues before abortion ruling JGP, kissdbyfire and Ser Scot A Ellison 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 You all don't understand my objections -- it's not the decriminalization of cannabis I object to. I am deeply objecting to the manner in which it is played out, degradation to both the sanitary and aesthetic environment by the unregulated, non-enforced mess that the politicians created because THEY DID NOT THINK THROUGH, that mostly what we are getting are these 'dispensaries', which are way over-priced, way under-quality, and even sell stuff that is dangerous, the hypocrisy that decriminalizing the selling in licensed dispensaries would lead to an oppressed and abused population -- who were SUPPOSED TO GET THE LICENSES, meaning those imprisoned for possession of say, a loose joint, whatever -- getting economically ahead when instead of working they were in prison. And then the state tax revenue, which isn't happening either. Instead we've got -- NO EXAGGERATION -- 3, 4, more 'dispensaries' on a single block, which don't follow the city rules of keeping their storefronts' sidewalks unblocked and clean, lots of loitering with boom boxes playing, and driving out other, important businesses due to all this environmental mess making the whole street unattractive for business. Nor does it appear there's eve walk-in business going on. So what the eff is going on? Other cities have rolled back their decriminalization of certain substances too, because of the reasons above. Their rosy vision of what it would be, replaced by something closer to the corners, failed. Around here we have noticed that though they are trying to keep it on the down-lo -- this crazy saturation of dispensaries is starting to make beef among them. O boy. Just what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 This from Arizona is hilarious. Quote Hours after Arizona’s supreme court declared on Tuesday that a 160-year-old abortion ban is now enforceable, Republicans in the state took a surprising stance for a party that has historically championed abortion restrictions – they denounced the decision. “This decision cannot stand,” said Matt Gress, a Republican state representative. “I categorically reject rolling back the clock to a time when slavery was still legal and we could lock up women and doctors because of an abortion.” Even assuming that some of these folks are serious, I don't think there's anything the Arizon GOP can do. I'll bet half the legislative caucus thinks the 1864 law is good, and they're unlikely to go along with anything that rolls it back. I suppose legislative leaders could try to force a bill through with Democratic votes, but splitting your party in an election year is never a good thing. Half the caucus will be denouncing the other half, while Democrats run hard against the both of them. Remember when conservatives said that throwing the issue of abortion back to the states would lower the temperature? Sure, Jan. timmett 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 3 minutes ago, TrackerNeil said: This from Arizona is hilarious. Even assuming that some of these folks are serious, I don't think there's anything the Arizon GOP can do. I'll bet half the legislative caucus thinks the 1864 law is good, and they're unlikely to go along with anything that rolls it back. I suppose legislative leaders could try to force a bill through with Democratic votes, but splitting your party in an election year is never a good thing. Half the caucus will be denouncing the other half, while Democrats run hard against the both of them. Remember when conservatives said that throwing the issue of abortion back to the states would lower the temperature? Sure, Jan. That Rep. Representative in AZ sounds… self aware… at least. Why he is still a Republican when saying that is beyond me. Jace, Extat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, Zorral said: Instead we've got -- NO EXAGGERATION -- 3, 4, more 'dispensaries' on a single block, which don't follow the city rules of keeping their storefronts' sidewalks unblocked and clean, lots of loitering with boom boxes playing Sounds fun, and it's still an upgrade from the good old NY days when the city looked like a landfill rained on it every night and there were porn theaters on every block. Frankly what you're describing is progress. Good for you guys! I hope getting stabbed on the subways is less common now. Priorities! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 No. it's retrogression. And there were no porn theaters here, ever. The wise guys weren't having any of that where their moms and nanas lived, anymore than they were having guys on corners or prostitution. You have forgotten or never understood just how big this city is, and how much and many cities there are in it. But under 'mayor' Adams, it really has gone downhill, everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) So first its Cohen, then Weiselberg, then Navarro, now Weiselberg again...... Why is it that all the disgraced former Presidents eggs keep breaking, yet the fraudster itself is allowed to walk around scot free while having committed the exact same crimes? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/allen-weisselberg-sentenced-perjury_n_661655f7e4b07b7205f1d661 I have had it up to here with the lack of justice and accountability that gangster Trump is allowed to continually skirt. Its time, long past time, for Le'Donald to do his time. Edited April 10 by DireWolfSpirit Martell Spy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 To further derail the topic , here in SE Michigan we've got "dispensaries" popping up here, there, everywhere. It'll eventually shake out, like every business does. The well-run/managed businesses will stay, and the rest of them will either close because of cashflow problems or the local government will get off their asses and start enforcing laws. In the meantime, try to think of it as a passing circus. I know, it's disconcerting to say the least, but this too shall pass. , Ormond 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 The US government is once again going Just Fine: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/10/politics/trump-fisa-speaker-johnson-house-republicans/index.html Quote House conservatives revolted against GOP leadership and defeated a FISA rule vote on the floor Wednesday, the latest blow to Speaker Mike Johnson that comes after former President Donald Trump called on Republicans to kill the bill. Trump had urged House Republicans to reject the reauthorization bill ahead of the key procedural vote on Wednesday, adding to headaches for GOP leaders who have struggled to build support for the legislation, but were still attempting to forge ahead and advance the bill. “KILL FISA,” Trump wrote on his social media platform Truth Social. This marks the fourth time in Johnson’s tenure that the House has defeated a rule vote, a major embarrassment for leadership. Why would Trump want to do such a thing? It's because of his deep love of privacy rights for all Americans and respect for the rule of law, of course. Quote The authority has also become a high-profile political target of conservative Republicans after it became known that a different section of FISA was inappropriately used to surveil Trump 2016 campaign aide Carter Page. In his call to “kill FISA,” Trump wrote on Truth Social, “IT WAS ILLEGALLY USED AGAINST ME, AND MANY OTHERS. THEY SPIED ON MY CAMPAIGN!!!” Martell Spy and Prince of the North 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 I'm sick of my neighborhood being the target destination for every 'shake-out.' What makes this worse than anything seen here before though, is the landlords and real estate developers (to which groups, along with the police, the 'mayor' is a card carrying funded member) are in a absolute state of hysteria. All those preposterous buildings they put up, with enormous mortgages and loans due are -- empty. The storefronts are empty. But they will not lower the rent. So guess how the rent being charged these 'legal dispensaries' is being paid . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, Zorral said: No. it's retrogression. And there were no porn theaters here, ever. The wise guys weren't having any of that where their moms and nanas lived, anymore than they were having guys on corners or prostitution. You have forgotten or never understood just how big this city is, and how much and many cities there are in it. But under 'mayor' Adams, it really has gone downhill, everywhere. Quote Before it was cleaned up for the sake of tourism, New York’s Times Square used to be a proud epicenter of sin and vice. In the 1970s, the neighborhood was known for its numerous pornographic theaters that supplied viewers with as much sleazy, hardcore action as they could handle. Read This: What happened to the porn theaters in Times Square? (avclub.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Mr. Chatywin et al. said: Read This: What happened to the porn theaters in Times Square? (avclub.com) I don't think z lives in Times Square lol Edited April 10 by Larry of the Lawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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