JGP Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I don't know, I must've watched a different debate because Trump seemed, to a large degree, much more insane than in the last one. Maybe don't celebrate quite yet, but this shit is over, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mindwalker said: He wasn't as unhinged as usual, so of course he was "presidential", with "a different tone". Trump will benefit from the low bar set for him, but he pushed the bar so low by losing 3 points nationally at the first debate. Trump was better, but only by contrast. This was the last set piece of the race and Trump failed to land any big punches. Nobody will be talking about this debate in 24 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, teej6 said: Yeah that’s what I’m worried about. The bar was so low for Trump. The crazy republicans are already spinning this as a triumph just because their dear leader sounded somewhat normal. They were holding their breaths, they didn’t know if Jekyll or Hide would show up. Which can give some “tittering” right leaning independents and maybe some republicans the excuse they’d been hoping for to vote for him. 1 minute ago, JEORDHl said: I don't know, I must've watched a different debate because Trump seemed, to a large degree, much more insane than in the last one. Maybe don't celebrate quite yet, but this shit is over, folks. It’s over when it’s over and no one should think otherwise until the final results are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Oh it's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, JEORDHl said: I don't know, I must've watched a different debate because Trump seemed, to a large degree, much more insane than in the last one. Maybe don't celebrate quite yet, but this shit is over, folks. He just repeated the same handful of attacks, often out of context. That's why they seemed so off at times. You're the puppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I guess some people thought muting mics would be doing Biden a favour so he could get a word in from time to time. But really mic muting is to Donald's benefit, probably why his team convinced him to accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Which can give some “tittering” right leaning independents and maybe some republicans the excuse they’d been hoping for to vote for him. It’s over when it’s over and no one should think otherwise until the final results are in. As David Axelrod just said, “This cake is baked”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said: I guess some people thought muting mics would be doing Biden a favour so he could get a word in from time to time. But really mic muting is to Donald's benefit, probably why his team convinced him to accept it. It did ultimately help him from going overboard. The man-baby literally finds it stifling to keep quiet for five seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said: I guess some people thought muting mics would be doing Biden a favour so he could get a word in from time to time. But really mic muting is to Donald's benefit, probably why his team convinced him to accept it. I think he mostly benefitted from debate prepping, which I'm sure he did, even before the town hall "debate", and more so for this one. Goal: Appear semi-normal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 It's over, I think, in the sense that there's really nothing that looks to be coming to public attention that will change people's voting intentions. I'm not really confident in how those voting intentions are going to play out in the EC tally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said: It's over, I think, in the sense that there's really nothing that looks to be coming to public attention that will change people's voting intentions. I'm not really confident in how those voting intentions are going to play out in the EC tally. True. Trump still has a strong chance at winning the election. Whatever happens I think it will be a lot closer than what what either side finds ideal, and show there’s no strong majority in support of Trump or Biden’s vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Think this will really break down to Trump's insisting that Covid is about to go away being overridden by local newscasts and papers being all about Covid blowing up filling with hospital horror stories. It'll get increasingly worse as we get closer to election day and more so in a number of the battlegrounds. Also, agree with those who said Trump was even more insane tonight. He was more level mood-wise, but pro-Biden groups got a lot of ad material tonight that needs to be put out there because he said some batshit, cruel stuff that was lost under his motor-mouth babbling and because folks were so relieved he wasn't yelling as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: It did ultimately help him from going overboard. The man-baby literally finds it stifling to keep quiet for five seconds I can't help noticing that when trying to sound normal you can see him really suffering at trying to stick with sentences longer than Lock Him Up and that convey some rational ideas or information not just a message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I've seen three polls so far of debate watchers, they all almost exactly mirror the current national polls. Biden won: 53-39, 52-39, and 52-41. Seems safe to say it didn't change anything. I didn't watch a minute of it; I was playing D&D over Skype with friends. Much better use of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argonath Diver Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Castellan said: I can't help noticing that when trying to sound normal you can see him really suffering at trying to stick with sentences longer than Lock Him Up and that convey some rational ideas or information not just a message. Honestly, after bartending most of my life, he sounds like a career drunk trying carefully to craft full sentences without collapsing into rambling disconnected phrases. Nah, Donnie, you paid your tab an hour ago. You can't have another manhattan. Go home already. No, I'm not mad at you. See you tomorrow, Donnie. Yes, I called a cab, he's right outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Fez said: I've seen three polls so far of debate watchers, they all almost exactly mirror the current national polls. Biden won: 53-39, 52-39, and 52-41. Seems safe to say it didn't change anything. I didn't watch a minute of it; I was playing D&D over Skype with friends. Much better use of time. Clearly you've never watched Stranger Things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 51 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: As David Axelrod just said, “This cake is baked”. Not if it's a gay wedding cake and Amy Barrett has anything to say about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Gotta say after five cycles now being intensely invested in this stuff, it is the height of amusement when people say there was no "knock out blow." Like that's wisdom or something. I mean, obviously that's true, but every damn debate the TV and internets tell me at least one of the two candidates has to deliver an Ali punch - and shocker - it never happens. Like, when has there ever been a knockout blow? I've prepped lectures on the history of (televised) presidential debates and I can't name one. I point out examples, sure. But Bentsen didn't get Dukakis any votes by pointing out Dan Quayle wasn't Jack Kennedy. George H. W. Bush didn't lose because he looked at his watch, he lost because of the recession. Al Gore didn't "lose" because he kept on saying lockbox like a septa looking after a lord's daughter. I know the media has every reason to hype this shit up, but I'd just like some talking head to just once be like, "well, like I said earlier Anderson, this debate was going to be pointless and have zero campaign effect, and sure enough I was right again." And their lack of effect, btw, is a good thing. As long as the media insists on dramatizing joint press conferences instead of actual debates, they wholly deserve to be cast as vapid theatrics that no American in their right mind should be persuaded by in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I'm not pleased with the "public option." Biden has clarified, it's what it is now (the medicaid expansion under Obama), except in states that make it too hard, people can get it again. It literally is just Obamacare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I think it was largely pointless, but it's going to make about 3% more voters in polls vote for Trump, largely from the undecided polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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