maarsen Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 30 minutes ago, Spockydog said: Doesn't the phrase 'Greens and Lib-Dem are a weak opposition' come across as the Cons running a campaign to be the opposition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, maarsen said: Doesn't the phrase 'Greens and Lib-Dem are a weak opposition' come across as the Cons running a campaign to be the opposition? Well, they do currently have 0 (zero) councillors there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horangi Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 (edited) Also, I recognize that all politics are local, but are grass verges, parking fees, and whatever 'high streets' are, issues that would motivate even a single voter to cast a ballot one way or the other? Edited April 27, 2023 by horangi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, horangi said: Also, I recognize that all politics are local, but are grass verges, parking fees, and whatever 'high streets' are, issues that would motivate even a single voter to cast a ballot one way or the other? It’s a local election. Things like that are probably the only actual policy issues people might care about. Other than that they probably just vote down party lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 1 hour ago, horangi said: Also, I recognize that all politics are local, but are grass verges, parking fees, and whatever 'high streets' are, issues that would motivate even a single voter to cast a ballot one way or the other? As someone who knows many people who canvas during local elections, quite possibly yes. Apparently it sometimes seems that parking issues are the only thing people want to talk about on the doorstep. Though in Tory land it seems that they mostly want to talk about preventing any more houses being built in their area. (I know people who would never vote Tory in general elections, but do so in local elections because they "are against building more housing estates" - that is one lie that they do seem to have sold successfully.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Quote A New Zealand man jailed for his role in a climate protest has been handed the longest prison sentence of its kind in British history. Morgan Trowland, a civil engineer from Ashburton, has been sentenced to three years imprisonment for a protest action that shut down a busy road in London last year. It is reportedly the longest sentence ever given for a peaceful climate protest in Britain. His family and friends are shocked by the punishment, which supporters have described as “draconian”. I am really ignorant when it comes to how protest can be effective at bringing about social change. I tend to think directly pissing off the general voting public as they try to go about their daily lives of just trying to get by is not the most effective way of achieving the change you want to see. The frustration and anger I get. The most effective way to vent that frustration and anger probably needs a bit of thought by some in the protest community. Still, three years seems a bit steep, and I question the intended deterrent effect of such sentences on people who are fighting what they see as an existential cause. Protesters will call themselves political prisoners, and seek to make political gains by that. They may well also seek to carry out even more disruptive protests to both flood the judicial system with environmental protest prosecutions (generating its own publicity) and show that such deterrent laws fail to serve as a deterrent. People who are truly committed to a cause aren't just ready to disrupt the lives of others they are ready to disrupt their own lives. Room and board for up to 3 years courtesy of HMG may be, to them, an tolerable sacrifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: I am really ignorant when it comes to how protest can be effective at bringing about social change. I tend to think directly pissing off the general voting public as they try to go about their daily lives of just trying to get by is not the most effective way of achieving the change you want to see. The frustration and anger I get. The most effective way to vent that frustration and anger probably needs a bit of thought by some in the protest community. Still, three years seems a bit steep, and I question the intended deterrent effect of such sentences on people who are fighting what they see as an existential cause. Protesters will call themselves political prisoners, and seek to make political gains by that. They may well also seek to carry out even more disruptive protests to both flood the judicial system with environmental protest prosecutions (generating its own publicity) and show that such deterrent laws fail to serve as a deterrent. People who are truly committed to a cause aren't just ready to disrupt the lives of others they are ready to disrupt their own lives. Room and board for up to 3 years courtesy of HMG may be, to them, an tolerable sacrifice. Yep. Glue yourself to Rishi, cause huge disruption to BP or Shell CEO. Don't piss off the man about the street trying to get to work who you need onside. It's fucking idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: I am really ignorant when it comes to how protest can be effective at bringing about social change. I tend to think directly pissing off the general voting public as they try to go about their daily lives of just trying to get by is not the most effective way of achieving the change you want to see. The frustration and anger I get. The most effective way to vent that frustration and anger probably needs a bit of thought by some in the protest community. Still, three years seems a bit steep, and I question the intended deterrent effect of such sentences on people who are fighting what they see as an existential cause. Protesters will call themselves political prisoners, and seek to make political gains by that. They may well also seek to carry out even more disruptive protests to both flood the judicial system with environmental protest prosecutions (generating its own publicity) and show that such deterrent laws fail to serve as a deterrent. People who are truly committed to a cause aren't just ready to disrupt the lives of others they are ready to disrupt their own lives. Room and board for up to 3 years courtesy of HMG may be, to them, an tolerable sacrifice. He’ll be in jail 1.5 year tops I think. But still way too long for such offences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Tough one for you lily livered liberal do gooders. the king of the stormtroopers v 30p Lee, who do you hate most? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIBmu5oZQFo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 One less kitten Suella needs to drown tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 4 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: I am really ignorant when it comes to how protest can be effective at bringing about social change. I tend to think directly pissing off the general voting public as they try to go about their daily lives of just trying to get by is not the most effective way of achieving the change you want to see. You're supportive of the conservative view of protest, then, that it should be a sort of polite reminder of an issue? Like having a man with a clipboard approach you and ask if you care about climate change? Although that too might be too inconvenient to the general voting public. Maybe they should write a letter to their MP. If only the suffragettes had thought of that. Their tactics did piss off the voting public, that probably explains their lack of success. 4 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: The frustration and anger I get. The most effective way to vent that frustration and anger probably needs a bit of thought by some in the protest community. That frustration and anger arises from the cause being ignored when people tried to raise it in ways that did not piss off the voting public, because when you adopt tactics that people can ignore, they ignore you. Sophelia, Soylent Brown, Rippounet and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 BBC chairman Richard Sharp resigns after Boris Johnson loan row - BBC News https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucnwbzd2xI4 Poobah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, mormont said: You're supportive of the conservative view of protest, then, that it should be a sort of polite reminder of an issue? Like having a man with a clipboard approach you and ask if you care about climate change? Although that too might be too inconvenient to the general voting public. Maybe they should write a letter to their MP. If only the suffragettes had thought of that. Their tactics did piss off the voting public, that probably explains their lack of success. That frustration and anger arises from the cause being ignored when people tried to raise it in ways that did not piss off the voting public, because when you adopt tactics that people can ignore, they ignore you. I think there could be a middle ground in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) If you haven't seen Lawrence Fox getting fucking owned you are in for a treat. https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/28/laurence-fox-savagely-roasted-by-doctor-on-gb-news-over-covid-vaccines-18690273/ 'I sometimes wonder why you exist'. Edited April 28, 2023 by BigFatCoward AncalagonTheBlack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Agreeing to appear on GB News is not advisable under any circumstances. It's a Russian propaganda/black money op. The satisfaction of owning Laurence Fox, a thing you can do five times on social media before breakfast (is he still on Twitter?), isn't worth giving that operation even a veneer of being an actual valid TV station. Zorral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) “Massive row” at tory conference https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-updates-bbc-chair-richard-sharp-resigns-after-admitting-cronyism-row-had-become-distraction-public-sector-strikes-12593360?postid=5838242#liveblog-body Edited April 28, 2023 by Derfel Cadarn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426 Quote The public will be given an active role in the ceremony for the first time, with people around the world set to be asked to cry out and swear allegiance to the King. This "homage of the people" replaces the traditional "homage of peers" where hereditary peers swear allegiance to the new monarch. Instead everyone in the Abbey and watching at home will be invited to pay homage in what Lambeth Palace described as a "chorus of millions". HAHAHAHAHAHAHHH... HAHAHAHA... No. God help us, there will be more of this drivel to come. I note also that the service will be really religiously inclusive by asking people of all faiths to participate in a ceremony by, er, reading from a book that is not of their faith and asking them to profess allegiance to the King in the name of a God they don't believe in. Religious diversity there: people of all faiths are welcome to practice Christianity. The Chief Rabbi will be doing so on the Sabbath, which is a really nice touch. Spockydog, Derfel Cadarn and Zorral 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted April 29, 2023 Author Share Posted April 29, 2023 22 minutes ago, mormont said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426 HAHAHAHAHAHAHHH... HAHAHAHA... No. God help us, there will be more of this drivel to come. I note also that the service will be really religiously inclusive by asking people of all faiths to participate in a ceremony by, er, reading from a book that is not of their faith and asking them to profess allegiance to the King in the name of a God they don't believe in. Religious diversity there: people of all faiths are welcome to practice Christianity. The Chief Rabbi will be doing so on the Sabbath, which is a really nice touch. Sorry. Washing my hair that day. And watching paint dry. And then waiting for it to start to peel. Which Tyler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Which Tyler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Do his comms people actually see these before they put it out? He can barely pass off as a human in these. Spockydog, mormont and ants 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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