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Knives Out was great. It reminds me of Parasite in a way - both movies are well structured and extremely entertaining, and use the black comedy/house invasion thriller and the who dun it story, respectively, to explore social and political issues in a fun way. The difference is that, while hilarious for most of its run, Parasite is ultimately dark and pessimistic, while Knives Out is optimistic and basically says a big F*uck you to the grimdark "kindness is stupid, only a-holes win" mentality.

BTW, this is the first time this has occurred to me even though I've watched Anna de Armas in a long TV show (EL Internado) and Blade Runner 2049 - but does anyone else think she kind of looks like Eliza Dushku with lighter colored eyes?

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10 hours ago, Annara Snow said:

Knives Out was great. It reminds me of Parasite in a way - both movies are well structured and extremely entertaining, and use the black comedy/house invasion thriller and the who dun it story, respectively, to explore social and political issues in a fun way. The difference is that, while hilarious for most of its run, Parasite is ultimately dark and pessimistic, while Knives Out is optimistic and basically says a big F*uck you to the grimdark "kindness is stupid, only a-holes win" mentality.

That's interesting as I am going to see Knives Out tomorrow night and I have tickets for Parasite.

Last night I watched the first episode of S5 of The Affair (after being non-plussed about them doing another season). Star turn from Claes Bang (whose existence I only became aware of after watching Dracula a week ago)! According to Some Random Dude on Twitter who responded to my tweet 'It is the most awful thing ever to be broadcast..' 

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14 hours ago, Annara Snow said:

Knives Out was great. It reminds me of Parasite in a way - both movies are well structured and extremely entertaining, and use the black comedy/house invasion thriller and the who dun it story, respectively, to explore social and political issues in a fun way.

Hmm - will keep a look out about this re: Parasite. Knives Out's exploration of social and political issues felt quite clunky to me & as a person of colour and an immigrant I had *lots* of issues with it  ( if I'm being charitable), but I'm curious to see how Parasite deals with that.

As an aside, I'll be watching The Last Black Man in San Francisco tonight so I'm quite excited about that :)

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Tangled, multiple time lines seem to have become, if not The Thing, A Thing, for screen works these days.  In the 2019 I've see these: True Detective, season 3; Tolkien, the film; The Watchmen; Little Women, the film, and The Witcher; and then Dracula, 2020.  Surely there are others, that I saw and don't remember and others that others watched and I did not see.

Not to mention the evidently increasing number of shows that like to start with a fraught scene, like Succession, and then throw up on the screen, a version of "Three days earlier ...." to then provide the context for this scene, which by the time it's all figured out we've forgotten entirely.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Raja said:

Hmm - will keep a look out about this re: Parasite. Knives Out's exploration of social and political issues felt quite clunky to me & as a person of colour and an immigrant I had *lots* of issues with it  ( if I'm being charitable), but I'm curious to see how Parasite deals with that.

As an aside, I'll be watching The Last Black Man in San Francisco tonight so I'm quite excited about that :)



I haven't seen Knives Out yet- this weekend, probably- but Parasite is different is that it isn't an outsider looking in exploring the issues it brings up, if I understand what Knives Out's ultimate themes are correctly.

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So I watched Brightburn this past weekend. I like the horror elements that were applied to the Superman style origin story, though I feel like the film didn't reach it's full potential. I guess they'll save it for a possible sequel.

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15 hours ago, Zorral said:

Tangled, multiple time lines seem to have become, if not The Thing, A Thing, for screen works these days.  In the 2019 I've see these: True Detective, season 3; Tolkien, the film; The Watchmen; Little Women, the film, and The Witcher; and then Dracula, 2020.  Surely there are others, that I saw and don't remember and others that others watched and I did not see.

Not to mention the evidently increasing number of shows that like to start with a fraught scene, like Succession, and then throw up on the screen, a version of "Three days earlier ...." to then provide the context for this scene, which by the time it's all figured out we've forgotten entirely.

 

 

I have been saying this for a while now. My hope for 2020 is that time lines, as a way of making a show "interesting and deep" go away. Unless you are a time travel show, like Dark, stop doing multiple time lines!!!!!  I started Witcher and a few episodes in I was like dammit here we go again!

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I saw Uncut Gems yesterday. It was tense and just chaotic the entire time, and I loved it. Adam Sandler’s performance absolutely lives up to the hype too. Couldn’t recommend it enough, especially if you’re a NBA fan/gambler.

Great cast also. KG plays his douchey self so good.

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4 minutes ago, Ramsay B. said:

I saw Uncut Gems yesterday. It was tense and just chaotic the entire time, and I loved it. Adam Sandler’s performance absolutely lives up to the hype too. Couldn’t recommend it enough, especially if you’re a NBA fan/gambler.

Great cast also. KG plays his douchey self so good.

Yeah it is great actually. When Sandler takes a role seriously then he’s maybe one of my favourite actors, which is painful as I hate so many of his movies. 
 

His performance in Punch Drunk Love i think is simply brilliant, in a brilliant movie.

Uncut Gems was just relentlessly tense and never lets up. It’s soundtrack also just keeps hitting you. I also recommend.

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1 hour ago, Ramsay B. said:

I saw Uncut Gems yesterday. It was tense and just chaotic the entire time, and I loved it. Adam Sandler’s performance absolutely lives up to the hype too. Couldn’t recommend it enough, especially if you’re a NBA fan/gambler.

Great cast also. KG plays his douchey self so good.

Most nerve wracking film I’ve seen in years. 

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18 hours ago, Zorral said:

Tangled, multiple time lines seem to have become, if not The Thing, A Thing, for screen works these days.  In the 2019 I've see these: True Detective, season 3; Tolkien, the film; The Watchmen; Little Women, the film, and The Witcher; and then Dracula, 2020.  Surely there are others, that I saw and don't remember and others that others watched and I did not see.

Not to mention the evidently increasing number of shows that like to start with a fraught scene, like Succession, and then throw up on the screen, a version of "Three days earlier ...." to then provide the context for this scene, which by the time it's all figured out we've forgotten entirely.

 

 

I feel like this really started with True Detective S1, but got super popular after the success of Westworld S1.  Even Westworld S2 did a gimmicky job of trying to emulate itself in this regard.

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21 hours ago, polishgenius said:



I haven't seen Knives Out yet- this weekend, probably- but Parasite is different is that it isn't an outsider looking in exploring the issues it brings up, if I understand what Knives Out's ultimate themes are correctly.

If anything, it's the opposite.

Knives Out mostly focuses on (largely) negative/mocking portrayal of rich  white Americans (even if the main character is an immigrant), and Rian Johnson admits it's the same class he belongs to, so it's very much a case of an insider looking in and showing what he knows.

Parasite has both clueless rich yuppie South Koreans and impoverished South Koreans willing to go anything to get out of their situation,but it's the latter who are the protagonists  and more focused on. I don't know if Bong Koon Ho has ever experienced poverty, but he certainly hasn't been experiencing it in a long time.

The main differences between the two, however, is that the former is ultimately optimistic, while the latter is not and proves to be much darker; and that Parasite is more morally ambiguous in its class portrayal, because the poor people , well, aren't exactly nice (but the point is that they can't afford to). 

Their ultimate messages are quite different -

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 Knives Out believes that good people can triumph exactly because of their goodness (and makes a point of it, while the latter doesn't seem to believe that  anyone can be good  in the circumstances of extreme class differences, and everyone loses, no one triumphs.

 

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3 hours ago, Annara Snow said:

 so it's very much a case of an insider looking in and showing what he knows.

Sure. But he's certainly an outsider when it comes to the immigrant side of the story ( and you can tell) and sure, for some people the mocking of rich white Americans & generational wealth is the focus of the movie and I agree with *some* of that, but when the back third about the immigrant experience is done so poorly then to me it sort of takes the shine off the movie & the message as the back third makes it painfully obvious that Johnson is an outsider who hasn't *really* thought through the depictions of immigrants in his movie.

But, ymmv.

 

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7 hours ago, Nictarion said:

Most nerve wracking film I’ve seen in years. 

Man, I won't get to watch this movie for ages :crying:

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HBO is in talks with Bong Joon Ho to do a Parasite limited series. I guess it was inevitable given how critically acclaimed it is, and rightfully so. But I’m not very excited about it. Just let it be. Although I guess it’s a positive HBO got it, if anyone. 

@Nictarion You watch The Lighthouse yet?

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On 1/9/2020 at 10:07 AM, Raja said:

Hmm - will keep a look out about this re: Parasite. Knives Out's exploration of social and political issues felt quite clunky to me & as a person of colour and an immigrant I had *lots* of issues with it  ( if I'm being charitable), but I'm curious to see how Parasite deals with that.

Wasn't the point of it to be clunky? I'm clearly missing your perspective, but I thought the point was to emphasis how poorly the white family behaved towards Marta and how they had no comprehension how their actions affected her while also trying to humanize her. I did a quick Google search and thought this article was a decent point, counter point about some of the problematic things in the movie. The line that jumped out at me was the use of humor at really inappropriate times, causing people to laugh at something that many Latinos and immigrants in general are terrified of.

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That was a good article. I was definitely surprised when Knives Out really went in on perspectives about immigration in the US right now. I was expecting them to deal with it in a more roundabout, generalised way.

I’d be interested if @Raja wants to elaborate on how they dealt with it poorly in the back third.

From my limited perspective 

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I thought the use of an immigration status as a motivating factor was cleverly done. I couldn’t imagine doing what Marta did but then I couldn’t imagine what it’s like to have that hanging over you either.

On the other hand, I thought how it ended up was odd. Like, if you just have enough money undocumented status doesn’t matter. I guess that was the point, a bit of satire. But I’m pretty sure as an immigrant the fear wouldn’t disappear just cos you got rich.

 

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33 minutes ago, john said:

That was a good article. I was definitely surprised when Knives Out really went in on perspectives about immigration in the US right now. I was expecting them to deal with it in a more roundabout, generalised way.

I’d be interested if @Raja wants to elaborate on how they dealt with it poorly in the back third.

From my limited perspective 

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I thought the use of an immigration status as a motivating factor was cleverly done. I couldn’t imagine doing what Marta did but then I couldn’t imagine what it’s like to have that hanging over you either.

On the other hand, I thought how it ended up was odd. Like, if you just have enough money undocumented status doesn’t matter. I guess that was the point, a bit of satire. But I’m pretty sure as an immigrant the fear wouldn’t disappear just cos you got rich.

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That's exactly what Marta pointed out to Walt when she started his patronizing speech about how the family will be able to help her with her mother's undocumented status, with their money. She replied that she now had that money and could do it herself.

But she was going to lose all that money and property if she was found to have caused Harlan's death., even accidentally and even in a private lawsuit. And she thought she had (while Walt didn't know that). That was what the whole premise of the movie and the whole reason why Ransom planned the whole thing. If she had actually given him an overdose of morphine and the lab results showed that, it would be hard even for the best lawyers to beat that. And don't forget that Linda was still rich on her own and would have also hired the best lawyers if it came to that. 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, aceluby said:

I feel like this really started with True Detective S1, but got super popular after the success of Westworld S1.  Even Westworld S2 did a gimmicky job of trying to emulate itself in this regard.

Ah.  I haven't watched Westworld, and probably never will.  Even the descriptions here said it was over the top, the degradation and violence, particularly that of which women were objects.

Though, at least in True Detective, time switches seemed to be functional, at least past and present, due to what the show was doing?

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