I… HATE… SMOKING!!!

[Jaxom 1974]

4 hours ago, LongRider said:

At my high school there was an unofficial smoking area on campus.  Myself and other derelicts would hang out there at lunch and smoke.  For reference, I graduated in 1974.

There was an unofficial smoking area on my HS campus also, though just on the other side of a fence, so technically off campus. When putting together the senior issue of our school paper, my friend who did the full page cover drawing, did this fantastic over image look down on the school as though it was more of a medieval castle (mascot was the Knights) and one of his Easter eggs was a bonfire with a couple figure standing around it in the location of where the smoking area was...

[polishgenius]

2 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

How is he getting cigarettes if he’s in a facility that doesn’t allow smoking?  He’s walking distance from a grocery or convenience store?

 

This is such an American question 

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

1 hour ago, polishgenius said:

 

This is such an American question 

You have cigarette distribution in hospitals and nursing homes?

[DanteGabriel]

7 hours ago, kairparavel said:

It's been 16 years but I still crave a puff once in a while. But I never do because I don't miss the stink nor the cost nor the cough.

Almost ten years now for me, at least as a habit. I kept cheat packs around, snuck one every once in a while, until the intervals became years-long. I have a pack stowed away somewhere that's almost as old as Dante Jr. I haven't really craved in a long time, but I get nostalgic for it if I see it in a movie or something. Really helpful that the last few I had made me feel so sick afterward. Like aversion therapy or something.

I feel like cigarettes, much like college, is something I got out of just as things were getting really expensive.

[polishgenius]

1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

You have cigarette distribution in hospitals and nursing homes?

 

No, we have walkable towns.

[Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II]

Boggles my mind that people would still voluntarily put poison in their bodies in this day and age with the information at their disposal.This is not just against tobacco smokers mind you- but also alcohol, weed and other shit. I don’t care what studies say about weed, it still fries your brain cells,serves as a gateway drug and is definitely addictive.
 

Treat your body like a temple people.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II

[Larry of the Lawn]

2 minutes ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said:

Boggles my mind that people would still voluntarily put poison in their bodies in this day and age with the information at their disposal.This is not just against tobacco smokers mind you- but also alcohol, weed and other shit. I don’t care what studies say about weed, it still fries your brain cells,serves as a gateway drug and is definitely addictive.
 

Treat your body like a temple people.

Whose brain is fried here?  The one ignoring the science?

Willful ignorance is a gateway drug too.

 

[Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II]

6 minutes ago, Larry of the Lawn said:

Whose brain is fried here?  The one ignoring the science?

Willful ignorance is a gateway drug too.

 

I meant I don’t believe those studies because I’ve seen the effects of long term weed usage in people and it’s fucking scary. I’d rather believe what I can see in real life with my own two eyes rather than questionable studies with dubious funding. Remember the tobacco companies did their own funding to get favourable studies for smoking way back in the 60s…

I repeat - treat your body like a temple, don’t abuse it. You guys might not feel it today but age will catch up eventually to these abuses and really fuck up your quality of life later down the line. Like Ser Scot said about his friend who looks 10 year older than him already…

Edited November 15, 2023 by Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II

[BigFatCoward]

6 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

You have cigarette distribution in hospitals and nursing homes?

i'd guess 95% of the uk live within a 2 minute walk of somewhere you can buy cigarettes. 

[baxus]

7 hours ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said:

I don’t care what studies say about weed, it still fries your brain cells, serves as a gateway drug and is definitely addictive.
 

Treat your body like a temple people.

The person that smoked the most weed in high school of all the people I knew is nowadays a university professor in tech sciences. Almost every single one of my friends who smoked weed are also having rather successful careers in various fields. Are there people who who smoke weed who, due to various reasons, can not do the same? Obviously there are, but we can't skip all the other reasons and move on to "it's because of weed" because that's simplistic, logically flawed and, the most important, won't help us identify the root cause so it can be fixed.

P.S. You are aware that human sacrifices were going on in quite a few temples over the course of history?

7 hours ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said:

I meant I don’t believe those studies because I’ve seen the effects of long term weed usage in people and it’s fucking scary. I’d rather believe what I can see in real life with my own two eyes rather than questionable studies with dubious funding. Remember the tobacco companies did their own funding to get favourable studies for smoking way back in the 60s…

Yeah, your limited experience is in all ways superior to scientific studies of hundreds/thousands/tens of thousands of people, that use measurable data and get repeatable results. I've mentioned my very limited experience which significantly differs from yours. We can't both come to the same conclusion from the data at our disposal, so which one is "right"? That's where we turn to science to get answers, and can't claim the science is flawed when we don't get the answer we want. Sure, let's examine the science, see if it was done right and check for flaws and all that, but calling them "questionable studies with dubious funding" is just lazy, man.

Btw, I'm saying all this as someone who's never even tried smoking cigarettes, weed or anything like that and whose main drugs are caffeine (one cup of coffee a day, sometimes two) and alcohol (a couple of beers now and again, getting drunk once a year or two on average for 20+ years), so I'm not defending my actions. Not even defending weed when I think about it, but standing up for a principle. If you base your views on life on what you see only, you'll think that the Earth is flat since, like almost every single person in history, you'll never see the curvature of the Earth with your own eyes.

[Phylum of Alexandria]

14 hours ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said:

I don’t care what studies say about weed, it still fries your brain cells,serves as a gateway drug and is definitely addictive.

I've always hated this "gateway drug" nonsense. It's a gateway drug in the same way that masturbation is a gateway drug to sex crimes. It puts all the focus on some small percentage of people who moved from something easy and accessible to something harder or darker, while ignoring the vast majority of people who never did so. 

Sure, everyone who did heroin first started with something like weed. It's a lot easier to access, and it has only mild addictive properties. Correlation is not causation.

I don't even like weed myself, personally. And people can certainly abuse it, just as someone can ruin their lives with porn. But at least come with a real argument rather than something from Ronald Reagan's attic files. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Phylum of Alexandria

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

6 minutes ago, Phylum of Alexandria said:

I've always hated this "gateway drug" nonsense. It's a gateway drug in the same way that masturbation is a gateway drug to sex crimes. It puts all the focus on some small percentage of people who moved from something easy and accessible to something harder or darker, while ignoring the vast majority of people who never did so. 

Sure, everyone who did heroin first started with something like weed. It's a lot easier to access, and it has only mild addictive properties. Correlation is not causation.

I don't even like weed myself, personally. And people can certainly abuse it, just as someone can ruin their lives with porn. But at least come with a real argument rather than something from Ronald Reagan's attic files. 

A history prof in undegrad liked to tell the story of a student of his who attended a “Just Say No” meeting where an officer went on and on about Pot being a “gateway drug”.  She raised her hand and calmly asked what was the correlation between drinking dairy milk and heroin use.

They asked her to leave… a little to much actual logic for their taste.

I still hate smelling people’s fucking cigarettes or joints.  

[Phylum of Alexandria]

18 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

I still hate smelling people’s fucking cigarettes or joints.  

In this age of edibles, there's no excuse for smoke.

[Fragile Bird]

I just think it’s a matter of personality and need. I knew people who smoked weed without any serious impact on their lives and other people who spent their lives stoned all the time. If you have an addictive personality, you’re in trouble. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Fragile Bird

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Not necessarily, tho.

Ask a friend of mine with a phd in Japanese, who had a nasty drug habit (weed and coke) in his late teens early twenties.

[Kalbear]

One major benefit of legalizing cannabis is that edibles are way easier to get and pretty decent quality.

Also, honestly, smoking (regardless of substance) is not good for you and there are a whole lot of peer-reviewed studies to show that. Inhaling particulates into the lungs ain't great. But that's true of a whole lot of things in general, including posting on message board forums dedicated to books that will never finish their series, so do what thou wilt as long as you're not hurting other people

[DireWolfSpirit]

So when vaping 1st became a thing there were lots of headlines discussing how bad it was on lungs. Those stories are never printed anymore as the vaping has now become pretty prevalent.

Leading me to wonder if the improvements are so great that vaping is pretty safe or are people just ignoring the vaping downside risk? Because virtually noone seems concerned over vaping safety anymore.

Im a tad skeptic that vaping is any less damaging than smoking, kinda feel in the long run people might discover the practice was a false security/substitute and that it to will be health damaging?

Genuinely curious though.

[LongRider]

25 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

One major benefit of legalizing cannabis is that edibles are way easier to get and pretty decent quality.

While that may be true, many still prefer to smoke.  From what I've been told, the high from edibles is not the same as from smoke.  Also, fear mongering about health risks tends to be unconvincing to folks who prefer to smoke pot.  Smoke 'em if ya got 'em, I guess.     

[Kalbear]

5 minutes ago, LongRider said:

While that may be true, many still prefer to smoke.  From what I've been told, the high from edibles is not the same as from smoke.  Also, fear mongering about health risks tends to be unconvincing to folks who prefer to smoke pot.  Smoke 'em if ya got 'em, I guess.     

Yeah, these edibles ain't shit

[Prince of the North]

56 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

...Inhaling particulates into the lungs ain't great... 

Amen.  It's just one study, and research around possible health effects of vaping is still quite young, but I thought this study was pertinent.

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Effects of e-cigarettes and vaping devices on cardiac and pulmonary physiology

The short-term (weeks to months) effects of e-cigarette use, such as e-cigarette or vaping product associated lung injury (EVALI), are becoming more apparent as use of these devices with both nicotine and tetrahydrocannabinoids (THCs) escalates worldwide (WHO, 2019). However, the long-term (decades) effects of e-cigarette use are still unknown. There is hope that bench and translational research studies will identify health effects prior to recognition by epidemiological studies, and thus there is an urgent need to define what the acute and chronic effects of e-cigarette use will be on both pulmonary and cardiac systems.