Werthead Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 At this point Europe is almost entirely all-in, and the military production of the German and the joint Czech-Slovak weapons factories is ramping up fast, as is the UK's factories in Northern Ireland. Between them, they can keep churning out missiles and shells for the Ukrainians even if the US was to pull out altogether (which wouldn't happen for another sixteen months in the worst case). Obviously the US staying in the game is a massive boon. Confirmation that Ukraine has hit two airbases deep inside Russia, launching drones from Russian soil. The score is now two Tu-22M supersonic bombers completely destroyed (total airframe loss) and two damaged. That's in total, one of the airbase strikes was the same as one reported over the weekend. Impressive going. Russia has also ordered its civil servants to work from home on Ukrainian independence day (24 August), fearing a large-scale Ukrainian attack on Moscow. Moscow's airspace was again shut down for a period today after a drone strike was intercepted. Erdogan is reportedly planning a visit to Moscow and will use his political capital to try to restart the grain deal, having discussed the issue with Middle-Eastern allies and countries in Africa. Erdogan making a big swing here to see if he can convince Putin to back down on those issues. Putin rejecting him might be an extremely bad idea (Turkey's assertiveness against Russia has been growing, but Erdogan has been keen to maintain friendly personal ties with Putin; he might be willing to abandon those to make Turkey the new Big Dog in the region). Matrim Fox Cauthon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorn Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Those Tu-22s are "lost Soviet technology" and literally irreplaceable losses for Russia, much like the cruiser Moskva. The last one of them left the factory in 1993, and they are not currently capable of making new ones. The existing fleet has been constantly shrinking due to age, and it is kept alive by replacing what can be newly manufactured, and cannibalizing spare parts that can no longer be made. Matrim Fox Cauthon, Tongue Stuck to Wall and Ser Scot A Ellison 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Russian helicopter defected. Or as the Russians are claiming, it ‘got lost and landed on the wrong place’ https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1694319510604456141?s=46&t=YQ5EoXBFy9mUDmV3PkLqIg Wilbur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) Holy shit! Proghozin apparently dead in plane crash! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66599733 Shot down by Russian air defence reportedly Edited August 23, 2023 by Derfel Cadarn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Holy shit! Proghozin apparently dead in plane crash! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66599733 A change up from the normal defenestration… plane crash this time… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) And who are you, the proud oligarch said, that I must bow so low. Only a Russian in a different coat, that's all the truth I know... Edited August 23, 2023 by Corvinus85 Kalbear and hauberk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Russia-Ukraine war live: Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin onboard plane involved in fatal crash, Russian Civil Aviation authority say https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/aug/23/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-drones-downed-moscow Also -- Quote Russia has relieved Gen Sergei Surovikin of his command of the Russian aerospace forces, in the highest-level sacking yet of a military commander after Yevgeny Prigozhin’s abortive mutiny in June. The extended absence and now removal of Surovikin, a prominent commander, indicates the shock waves sent through the military establishment after Prigozhin’s armed uprising. He sent thousands of troops to seize a military headquarters in the city of Rostov-on-Don and tried to march on Moscow to protest against the dismantling of his Wagner private military company. Prigozhin’s public support for Surovikin, who was seen as an ally of the Wagner militia in the Russian defence ministry, had raised questions of whether he or other senior commanders had aided the mutiny, or at least had prior knowledge of Prigozhin’s plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Apparently Utkin was killed as well. Completely insane. The question now will be what will the rest of Wagner's reaction be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) Also, some reports that the USA, UK and several allied countries will formally declare the Wagner PMC a terrorist group in the near future. Edited August 23, 2023 by Werthead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Everyone said his time was short once he stopped his advance. He should have known that and taken his chances going to Moscow with his sword in his hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Holy shit, that footage is absolutely insane. Has anyone knocked out a translation of what the woman is saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horangi Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Well, so much for plausible deniability. I guess we will be flying the long way around on trips to Asia for a long while to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Come at the king, you best not miss. RIP Michael K. Williams Prigozhin will get no such condolences from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingintheNorth4 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Welp, it looks like Putin got his lick back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Massive explosion in Crimea. Ukraine took out an entire S-400 system, including missiles, the launcher and radar systems. Some reports that a Bastion anti-ship system (used by Russia in ground attack mode) may have also been eliminated, and forward-operating radar systems in western and southern Crimea. JGP, Prince of the North, Which Tyler and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Arakasi, Corvinus85 and A Horse Named Stranger 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) Nobody is surprised that Putin had him killed. I know he does not care about human lives but killing the crew and letting debris rain down s a new level I feel. This is a message to others who might undermine his rule I guess. Edit: wrongly assumed that it was shot down over Moscow. Edited August 23, 2023 by Luzifer's right hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog-days Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 That was slightly faster than expected. Putin must feel sure he's got Wagner under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Beat me to it. How fucking lucky! https://nordot.app/1067134530561115003?c=592622757532812385 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padraig Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 43 minutes ago, KingintheNorth4 said: Welp, it looks like Putin got his lick back. Prigozhin made it very easy for Putin with his apparent frequent visits to Russia though. The Belarus agreement didn’t seem to be going to plan neither. Prigozhin seemed very naive but that word shouldn’t be used against such a man. Someday we’ll learn what was really going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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