Kalbear Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67574495 Henry Kissinger dead at 100. There aren't words to express how bad this guy was, so I won't really try. This was an unjust result of an exceptionally evil life. Edited November 30, 2023 by Kalbear gotta put in the song JGP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Twitter may be a cesspit, but the memes are great. Live your life so your death won't be treated like this. JGP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimTuesday Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 The only tragedy about Kissinger's death is that he got to live a long full life to the age of 100 and died surrounded by his loved ones, rather than alone in a cold cell in the Hague for his crimes against humanity. Always remember the words of Anthony Bourdain when you think of Kissinger. Corvinus85, Tears of Lys, Prince of the North and 6 others 3 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) It’s funny, because I’m one of the older people on the board the overwhelming memories I have of Kissinger are about shuttle diplomacy, ending the war in Vietnam, and diplomatic successes reaching out to Russia and China. The dark secrets about bombing Cambodia, the civillian death toll, leading to the rise of Pol Pot, came out years later, and it was always like there was a huge gulf between those two Kissingers because of the timing. And of course with the passage of time even more ugliness was made public. Let’s mention Chile, for one. I think that quote from Anthony Bourdain is spot on, but what Bourdain misses is the fact there’s a whole gang of Americans who should have sat in the cells with Kissinger. He didn’t do everything all by his little self. Edited November 30, 2023 by Fragile Bird Sp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) It took an entire century before we were rid of this eviLe sob. If he'd only rid us of himself in 1968 . . . . Edited November 30, 2023 by Zorral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Deadlines? What Deadlines?, Durckad, kissdbyfire and 4 others 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Fragile Bird said: It’s funny, because I’m one of the older people on the board the overwhelming memories I have of Kissinger are about shuttle diplomacy, ending the the war in Vietnam, and diplomatic successes reaching out to Russia and China. The dark secrets about bombing Cambodia, the civillian death toll, leading to the rise of Pol Pot, came out years later, and it was always like there was a huge gulf between those two Kissingers because of the timing. And of course with the passage of time even more ugliness was made public. Let’s mention Chile, for one. Well, as for Vietnam didn't he and Nixon undermine Johnson's peace talks to help Nixon win the election? I vaguely recall Nixon telling the South VIetnamese goverment to stonewall negotiations with the promise that he'd continue to support the war effort, once he's elected. Ofc, Nixon being Nixon, he sold them down the Mekong when he was in office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionwe1987 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 It is truly tragic that this pustule on the face of humanity lived this long. The minions of hell were clearly involved in this plot to keep themselves safe by inflicting his continued presence on Earth. kissdbyfire, JGP and Kalbear 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: Well, as for Vietnam didn't he and Nixon undermine Johnson's peace talks to help Nixon win the election? I vaguely recall Nixon telling the South VIetnamese goverment to stonewall negotiations with the promise that he'd continue to support the war effort, once he's elected. Ofc, Nixon being Nixon, he sold them down the Mekong when he was in office. I'm not sure it's been proven to a moral certainty but yeah, they totally did. The deal they got in '73 was basically what Johnson was offering them in '68. Johnson was no saint in this, but if he'd been successful in '68: about 25,000 Americans don't die. The same for probably close to a million vietnamese, Cambodia doesn't happen. Pol Pot likely never comes to power. Fuck Kissinger. Edited November 30, 2023 by Deadlines? What Deadlines? JGP, Prince of the North, Winterfell is Burning and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 That headline Fragile Bird, Argonath Diver, Winterfell is Burning and 4 others 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Fragile Bird said: It’s funny, because I’m one of the older people on the board the overwhelming memories I have of Kissinger are about shuttle diplomacy, ending the war in Vietnam, and diplomatic successes reaching out to Russia and China. The dark secrets about bombing Cambodia, the civillian death toll, leading to the rise of Pol Pot, came out years later, and it was always like there was a huge gulf between those two Kissingers because of the timing. And of course with the passage of time even more ugliness was made public. Let’s mention Chile, for one. I think that quote from Anthony Bourdain is spot on, but what Bourdain misses is the fact there’s a whole gang of Americans who should have sat in the cells with Kissinger. He didn’t do everything all by his little self. IMHO, the Khmer Rouge must take responsibility for their own crimes. Or at any rate, the US’s chief fault was leaving the Cambodians in the lurch, in 1975. Kissinger’s role in Operation Condor was unforgivable, however. My wife was involved in working for some of the victims of torture, and the evidence was nauseating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Good, the world kind of needs some good news right now. Rupert next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Balstroko Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 When I first heard the news, I immediately thought of @Conflicting Thought. Fuck that asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Sadly for me my spouse decided to show me this. I mean, "author of peace and lover ofconcord"! !@#$%&#&@^@_÷&$,@,× Craving Peaches, Deadlines? What Deadlines?, Lord of Oop North and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 No, Boris, the bombs were dropped from B-52s. Concorde's a different kind of plane entirely. karaddin and kissdbyfire 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartIheartTesla Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 In addition to his war crimes, he was also an unabashed supporter of the Iraq war. My abiding memory of those times is how much deference his views were treated with on talk shows and how it didnt ring any alarm bells for anyone that he was supportive of it (it did for me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said: how it didnt ring any alarm bells for anyone that he was supportive of it (it did for me). And many others! But not enough. We're never enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bironic Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 What astounded me about him was less his war crimes, which lets be honest almost every single us politician did and he wasn’t even the worst offender, but more that he was treated as some sort of strategic mastermind by the media. But in the end what did he ever achieve that was a net plus for the USA? Vietnam/Indochina complete and utter disaster, Latin America short term „victory“ long term disaster, China partial failure, Iraq failure… Yom Kippur war was probably the closest to a victory he ever had…so for me he is not only a war criminal, but also massively overrated… Prince of the North, Winterfell is Burning and kissdbyfire 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conflicting Thought Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 4 hours ago, House Balstroko said: When I first heard the news, I immediately thought of @Conflicting Thought. Fuck that asshole. Its bittersweet for sure, happy he is dead but he didnt deserve the death that he had, he should have died in prison sad and alone. This is why i'll never belive in karma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Conflicting Thought said: Its bittersweet for sure, happy he is dead but he didnt deserve the death that he had, he should have died in prison sad and alone. This is why i'll never belive in karma “The Cubans say there is no evil that lasts a hundred years, and Kissinger is making a run to prove them wrong,” Grandin told Rolling Stone not long before Kissinger died. “ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/henry-kissinger-war-criminal-dead-1234804748/?fbclid=IwAR3uGSPxDg0CHqJgGQd73-hzlOpWHxKk-3JSeV91XUssZ5s0aqcjhIRZPWc Greg, the author of In Kissinger's Shadow (2015), if anyone does, knows all the evils, inside and out, that Kissinger accomplished. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/books/review/kissingers-shadow-by-greg-grandin.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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